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From: "ERIC GOETHE" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] E3a Mosselle, Bining, Eastern France 1700
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 15:57:44 -0400
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On 5/6/07, Walter Gabennesch <> wrote:
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> It is impossible for a non-recorded paternal event to have taken place in
> the USA. Christophe brought his wife and first born to Cincinnati from
> France. My ancestor Peter Gabennesch was their fourth born child.




There was just not enough time for such an event, it would have been
> obvious. I was born in 1933 and was only the fourth Gabennesch generation
> born in this country.



I hope you are able to get an answer Walt. My only suggestion is to
address the simplest, most likely possibilities before embracing more
exotic, less likely scenerios.

A few generations before you, Cincinnati was the pre-eminent destination for
the underground railroad, and sits directly across the river from what was a
slaveholding state. From the earliest period, it was a destination for
afro-americans because by crossing a bridge or swimming one river, you were
free, AND in a big city with opportunity. Cincinnatians of an abolitionist
opinion were taking escaped africans into their homes and likely adopting
some. A lot of these africans would have various degrees of intermixture
genetically. Today Cincinnati is over 40 % black.

Four generations in america is a pretty long time, and is certainly not a
disqualifier for a non-paternity event, as there are many people who cant
take their line back even four generations let alone know what was going on
in their families at the time.

Lastly, an autosomnal test is not something I would rely on. Obviously
you MUST make sure you are actually SNP tested as E3a, and have made CERTAIN
that you are not actually its cousin, E3b, which is often found in europe
amongst native europeans. Do not rely on a prediction from a testing
company, *go to another company and get a SNP test*. You Ht LOOKS african
E3a, but..
(this is at a 12 marker Ht), if i switch your dys 19 from its current 15 to
represent a mutation to an 11 you are 99.6% probability E3B, at a mutation
to 12 you are 86.0% E3B and even at a mutation of 13 your fitness score is
62.1% for E3B, not E3A. Only E3b, E3a, and H, are even given as
possibilities for these Ht`s.
A Y-DNA test is NOT the same thing as being SNP tested. I am not saying I
am with certainty advocating this position, but possibly there is a back
mutation of a european E3b, into a Ht resembling its ancestral african E3a
type.

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