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From: "adam bradford" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] What subclade is R1b haplotype with DYS 391 = 12?
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 19:13:40 -0400
References: <BAY140-F13F87440A7E5315F15E2B3E4350@phx.gbl><005701c79cec$1b2c6e20$6400a8c0@Ken1><000601c79d8c$de7ec260$640fa8c0@Villandra2>
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What are you to make of it? Probably nothing. Sometimes odd values do not
signify clades, just mutations in individual families. I am an R1b1c* with
391=12. I haven't really paid much attention to matters of deep ancestry
for quite some time, but a year or two back I parsed various datasets to see
if this odd value might be significant. I didn't find anything. We are all
probably just individual WAMH offshoots, though I can't help but wonder if
391=12 ended up as the basis of an Oppenheimer "clade".

Incidentally, a Bradford who's a 24/25 match with me, and probably a
relative, has the value 13, which is extremely rare.

On 5/23/07, Dora Smith <> wrote:
>
> I have a question about Y Search user ID 8AQXJ. It says it's R1b, from
> FTDNA, and also that it's been "tested".
>
> I'm comparing it to Ken's subclades. It has DYS 391 = 12. Distribution
> table for the Atlantic modal haplotype at
> http://worldfamilies.net/SWAMH.html shows that a small percentage of R1b
> DYS
> 391 are 12, though the exact percent got clipped off the page. All
> Ken's
> subclades have DYS 391 = 10 or 11. What am I to make of it?
>
> Yours,
> Dora Smith
> Austin, TX
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