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From: ellen Levy <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Megalith Builders
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:00:45 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <000801c7a621$3606dee0$6401a8c0@Richard>


Rich:

The similarity lies in the fact that very complex
subjects are distilled down into very simplistic,
agenda-driven theories that appear to be based on
little to no actual scientific studies, particularly
DNA studies, though they are often completely bereft
of archaeological data as well.

I have no problem with theories, as long as they are
put forth as such (and hopefully in an open-minded
fashion) and not asserted as scientific truths that
others must acccept, and if they argue otherwise, they
are informed they are merely allowing themselves to
continue wallowing in their ignorance.

One should be very cautious about utilizing modern-day
distribution of Y haplogroups to assert theories
concerning the origins of various linguistic families
as they are reflected currently in Europe, or ancient
cultural/political groups like the Celts, or even
megalithic builders (who, by the way, spanned many
centuries and many cultural time periods).

Not that I wish to reopen the argument, Rich, but
there MAY be a correlation TODAY between certain Y
haplogroups and certain language families. A
convincing argument still needs to be made based on
both linguistic and genetic data (archaeological
information would be supportive as well) that such a
link actually exists not only today, but also as long
ago as 8000 years ago, when branches like Greek and
Hittite began to split from the main IE tree.

Ellen Coffman

--- "R. & G. Stevens" <> wrote:

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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ellen Levy" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] Megalith Builders
>
>
> > John:
> >
> > I think you are right on the mark. It makes about
> as
> > much sense to attribute R1b=megalith builders or
> any
> > other haplogroup as it does to attribute R1b to
> centum
> > IE language origins in Europe.
>
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> Not everyone would agree, Ellen, on either score.
> And it is a logical
> fallacy to equate the two separate ideas as if the
> "sense" of one was
> dependant on the "sense" of the other.
>
> It could be that centum Indo-European was not
> introduced into Western Europe
> primarily by R1bs, but it is a fact that there is a
> strong correlation
> between certain y-haplogroups and certain language
> families.
>
> Rich
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