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Subject: Re: [DNA] Two new R1a Useful Markers
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 11:40:34 +0200 (CEST)
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Hi all.

Ken Nordtvedt:
> ... one of the German regions was "the Sorbs". These are a Slavic
> people closely connected with the western Poles.
> ...
> In my previous work in R1a this 385 = 10-14 haplotype of R1a was heavily
> concentrated in Poland, although there was some spillover to
> neighboring countries.


Lawrence Mayka:
> Ken may have been referring to Silesians.


Marker 385 = 10-14 concerns me a lot, it is mine too :-)
As I said few days before, this type claims about 10% of our Czech
database and the same value is valid for another (non-public, >200 records)
database of North Moravia.

Western Poles are not existing. Western part of Poland was untill WWII
inhabitated by Germans. Silesians, if you consider them as a ethnic unit,
live in the South Poland and Czech Republic.

Sorbs are the last remains of "Elbe Slavs", several tens of slavic tribes
originally living in the area south of Baltic Sea and east of Elbe and
Saale rivers. Very small part of them (two tribes) as a "Lusatian Sorbs"
was a part of Czech Kingdom, partly from 11th century, entirely from 14th
untill the 17th century. Here is a map from my site:
<http://www.genebaze.cz/cgi-bin/kn.cgi?k=Mmcz1747>;
Till the year 1922 Sorbs had their own collegue at Charles University in
Prague.

There is probably ONE geographic and ethnic correlation of R1a
dys385=10-14. It is a tribe named Lugi <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lugii>;.
Lugi lived in 400 BC - 300 AD at the territory where you can now observe
high density of R1a dys385=10-14.


Ludvik

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