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From: "Wil Husted" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Newbie just tested-can anyone shed any light on wha tthisall means?
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:23:31 -0600
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I wrote and Lawrence replied:

>> FTDNA does test for DYS492. My McAllister maternal relative
>> was tested for
>> 67 markers and has DYS492 = 12. He is CAAGC at Ysearch.
>
> I meant that FTDNA does not test for S21, which is the true SNP for
> R1b1c9.
>
>> Harry is SNP-tested as R1b1c by FTDNA but I have no idea of anything
>> further. The S Series from EA is on order. If you care to
>> take a look at
>> CAAGC, might you offer your opinion or prediction on what further
>> subclade(?), such as R1b1c9, etc., Harry might belong to?
>
> At 67 markers, within a GD of 19, CAAGC has only 3 neighbors:
>
> 9JKHQ, unknown origin, GD 10
> Y34QR, Kilconnell/Ballyglass, Ireland, GD 11
> 54QSN, Galway, Ireland, GD 12
>
> Note that there are no neighbors at GDs of 13-19. In R1b1c, by far the
> most
> populated haplogroup, an absolute lack of neighbors across such a range
> looks like a genetic chasm to me. In other words, these 4 men appear to
> have their own cluster, pretty far away from everyone else. The nearest
> neighbors outside the British Isles are at GDs of 23 and beyond, and come
> from across Atlantic Europe. In other words, these guys look like they've
> been in Ireland a long, long time.
>
> Put in other terms, this cluster shows some distinguishing marker values:
>
> DYS393 = 12
> DYS385b >= 15
> YCAIIb = 22
> DYS442 = 11
> DYS406S1 >= 11
> DYS534 = 14
> DYS617 = 13

Although having only 25 markers, GYAGP differs from Harry (CAAGC) at DYS
464d = 18. In view of the apparent rarity of the 9JKHQ-Y34QR-54QSN-CAAGC
group, might GYAGP have a good chance of being another member of this group?

GYAGP's most distant know ancestor was Angus McAllister born about 1672 in
Scotland. Harry's most distant know ancestor was John McAllister born about
1675 in Northern Ireland. Family talk was that our McAllisters ultimately
came from Scotland but there is no documentation to support this.

If those guys have been in Ireland for a long, long time, are talking in
terms of hundreds or thousands of years?

I've written to GYAGP or his contact person asking if he has considered
upgrading to 67 markers. No reply yet.

Thanks for your analysis of Harry's and the three other guys' results. It
looks very interesting.

Wil Husted


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