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From: ellen Levy <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Megalith Builders
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:48:26 -0700 (PDT)


--- ellen Levy <> wrote:

> Ken:
>
> I don't think a sub-stratum warps a language, nor
> does
> it represent the concept of how languages in the
> same
> family diverge from each other. Rather, it reflects
> the idea of linguistic borrowings from another
> language of the earlier inhabitants. I guess this
> concept wouldn't apply in your Old Norse scenario
> because they moved into an unpopulated region, so
> had
> no one to absorb genetically and borrow from
> linguistically. This doesn't seem to be the case
> with
> the IE languages, however.
>
> The ideas of separation, isolation and drift is, in
> fact, how linguists understand how the various
> languages within IE ultimately formed. I suppose
> the
> adoption of words from the earlier inhabitants of
> Europe, as reflected in the sub-stratum of those
> languages today, could have hastened that drifting
> apart.
>
> Ellen Coffman
>
> --- Ken Nordtvedt <> wrote:
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ellen Levy" <>
> >
> > So who was there earlier, as reflected
> > > in the sub-stratum of IE languages,
> >
> > I have heard this "sub-stratum" tossed out a few
> > times to give an
> > explanation for the different directions various
> > branches of the
> > Indo-European took.
> >
> > It seems not necessary to have a sub-stratum warp
> a
> > language, although it
> > certainly can. Just listen to the Asian-Indian
> > dialect of English, for
> > example. Maybe someday, given the demographics,
> it
> > will be the prevailing
> > English.
> >
> > But Old-Norse was taken to unpopulated Iceland
> 1200
> > years or so ago. There
> > was no sub-stratum (unless you want to argue that
> > the Celts who went along
> > perturbed Icelandic significantly? )
> >
> > There is now divergence of Norwegian from
> Icelandic,
> > although there is some
> > understandability between. Separation, isolation
> > and drift of languages can
> > create different branches. Is this totally
> > discounted as an ingredient into
> > the emergence of the branches of IE ?
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
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