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From: "Joe Knapp" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Identifying R1b clusters
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:58:10 -0400
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On 6/10/07, Dennis Wright <> wrote:
> Great work Joe.
> What is the 'Irish Sea Modal'?

Of the clusters identified, I was mostly interested to see if any
hadn't yet been classified. Searching ysearch for the modal for that
particular cluster resulted in:

http://tinyurl.com/2k86ew

One of the close matches at least is identified as "Irish Sea Area IS
Modal 37/6=118, Ireland," so I thought maybe that's the known group.
Maybe it isn't though and this group is different. At
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gallgaedhil/haplo_r1b_dys392_14.htm,
I find:

Two of the top three European matches for the haplotype below fall in
England, which is highly unusual for any haplotype in the YHRD
database, even an R1b. This suggests that this is simply a variant of
the 'Ui Niall' haplotype - or what on the Border Reivers DNA Project
we like to call the 'Irish Sea Modal Haplotype' - and as such may have
originated in the British Isles."

I believe this Irish Sea modal is only recently being discussed much.

> I would also like to see which 'Irish Type III' you have collected.

Searching for the modal of that cluster on ysearch:

http://tinyurl.com/39vne2

At the top of the list is a 66/67 match for "Modal R1b Irish Type III
variety." As for the network diagram of FTDNA IDs:

http://coolohio.com/dna/r1b/irishIII.jpg

Joe

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