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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Identifying R1b clusters
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:33:31 -0600
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Knapp" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Identifying R1b clusters


> On 6/11/07, Ken Nordtvedt <> wrote:
>> In an earlier message I expressed my willingness to take the drink. I
>> asked
>> for the Ysearch codes for members of one of the unidentified "clusters"
>> so I
>> could look myself at the haplotypes to see what, if anything, they had to
>> bring them together.
>
. My impression is
> that for privacy reasons there is no public linkage between the two
> databases.
>
> Seems to me that any method of identifying a cluster, as long as it is
> reproducible using standard tools (translation? if the same data is run
> through the same software it puts out the same results?)

, is useful, whether or not some
> simple cluster definition can be found. (How about any cluster
> description; it does not have to be simple?)

Forget about cluster definition for the moment. Just explain, after the
fact, why a haplotype is in the cluster or not?
If you can't explain the method (software rules) of forming the cluster in
detail nor explain what holds the purported members of the resulting
"cluster" together upon examination of the "cluster" after its generated,
about the only use I can see for the "cluster" is for making tee shirts with
logos --- "I'm from Fluxus Cluster XYZ"

Actually, I'm not asking anyone to explain what makes the cluster a cluster.
If the haplotypes can be put into a file and shared I'd be happly to do the
work and report back to the list.

Ken




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