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From: Vincent Vizachero <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly close to R1a andI1aandI1c in s...
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 03:32:24 -0700 (PDT)
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--- wrote: I said "old" because of the notion that mutations > tend to upwardness, don't > they? No, not to any appreciable degree. If you need a phenomenon to support your conclusion, you'll need to look elsewhere. Lawerence posted a list of R1b1c a few weeks ago that all had DYS438=11, if I recall correctly. It is rare, but not SO rare that it is unheard of. Vince

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[DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly close to R1a and I1a andI1c in some ways? by

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Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly close to R1a andI1aandI1c in s... by
- Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly close to R1aandI1aandI1c in s... by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
- Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly close to R1aandI1aandI1c in s... by "robert mcgregor" <>
  - Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly close toR1aandI1aandI1c in s... by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
    - Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly closetoR1aandI1aandI1c in s... by "robert mcgregor" <>
      - Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly closetoR1aandI1aandI1cin s... by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
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  - Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly close to R1a andI1aandI1c in s... by Vincent Vizachero <>
    - Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly close to R1aandI1aandI1c in s... by "robert mcgregor" <>
      - Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly close to R1aandI1aandI1c in s... by Vincent Vizachero <>
    - Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly close to R1a andI1aandI1c in s... by "Joe Knapp" <>
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        Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly close to R1aandI1aandI1c in s... by "Joe Knapp" <>
        Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly close toR1aandI1aandI1c in s... by "robert mcgregor" <>
        Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly close toR1aandI1aandI1c in s... by Vincent Vizachero <>
        Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly close toR1aandI1aandI1c in s... by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
        Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly close toR1aandI1aandI1c in s... by "Joe Knapp" <>
        Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly closetoR1aandI1aandI1c in s... by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
        Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly closetoR1aandI1aandI1c in s... by "Joe Knapp" <>
        Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly closetoR1aandI1aandI1cin s... by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
        Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly closetoR1aandI1aandI1cin s... by "Joe Knapp" <>
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        Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly close toR1a andI1aandI1c in s... by (John Chandler)
        Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly close to R1aandI1aandI1c in s... by "Joe Knapp" <>
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- Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly close toR1aandI1aandI1c in s... by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
- Re: [DNA] R1b DYS458=14 DYS38=11 -- possibly close to R1aandI1aandI1c in s... by Vincent Vizachero <>

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