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From: "Doriswheeler" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] modal values for markers 38-67 for haplogroup J2
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:58:48 -0400
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Hi Steve,
The number of mutations ranges from 0 to 6 out of 37. I used Dean McGee's utility to generate some reports, including GD and TMRCA. You can view these at http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/w/worden/misc.html.
When I run the FTDNATIP report for each project member and can adjust the number of generations to a common ancestor based on our paper trails, however, I get much higher probabilities for an MRCA at 8-12 generations = ~34% or 16 generations =~65%.

I guess I'm not sure I know how to answer your question. Are you suggesting that I run the FTDNATIP report for each man and generate an Excel table of probabilities? Would that be useful, do you think?

I very much appreciate any and all suggestions!
Doris Wheeler


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----- Original Message -----
From: Steven Bird
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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] modal values for markers 38-67 for haplogroup J2


Doris,

Have you been able to run TMRCA calculations on the haplotypes in question?
If so, what are the generational distances?

J2b1 (formerly J2e) is from the southern Balkans and expanded at the same
time as E3b1a2, according to Cruciani 2007. They may share a common path
from there to Britain.

IIRC, Lancashire is also a haven for G2.

Steve


>John, I am proposing as a theory that virtually all men who are J2b1 and
>who trace their origins to Lancashire and nearby share a common ancestor.
>The haplogroup is so rare in northwest England that I think this is not too
>far fetched. What do you think?
>
>Doris
>
>Alternate email:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Cartmell
> To:
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] modal values for markers 38-67 for haplogroup J2
>
>
> On 18 Jun, Doriswheeler <> wrote:
> > Seventeen men in our Worden DNA Project
> > www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/w/worden claim a common ancestor,
>William,
> > b. 1500 in Lancashire
>
> So that's one line - and mine's another (William Cartmell c1540 - of
> Winmarleigh).
>
> So how many more - and in what time-frame might they have a common
>ancestor?
>

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