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From: "Arch Yeomans" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Megalith builders
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:52:12 -0700
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Switching governing elites creates change, when that change forces you
to convert into a new belief system or face persecution or slavery
then how is it that you are free? Or when Vikings pillage the
monastaries for the gold and demand tribute, how is that free? It's
all about control and the use of terror or threats to flex that power.
I doubt people felt very free back then in the way we enjoy our
freedoms today. Only those in elite positions were free in a very
loose sense of the word. Everybody was somebody's man and that
indicates slavery in one form or another. I don't think it means
people were beaten everyday, but their lives were under constant
control whether by the state or by the master. We all define freedom
differently and even believe in varying levels of freedom. Only power
gives you that tangible freedom in materialistic ways or at the
materialistic level. I seriously doubt power was given to the people
and without power you must do as you're told; unless you're willing to
suffer the consequences. That concept still applies today. We're all
slaves to our own will or "free will" even though we think we're free.
It's all a construct, or a self comfort coping mechanism. Elite
powerful minorities are the only true free people within the
materialistic world of antiquity and modernity. The rest of us are
slaves in some way or another and whether or not we know it, or feel
it. It's just the way it is.

Arch



On 6/25/07, R. & G. Stevens <> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arch Yeomans" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 12:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] Megalith builders
>
>
> > I really doubt Romans could have cared about a
> > Briton's freedom; same goes for the Vikings and Normans. If you're
> > Indian you very well might think the British Empire enslaved your
> > people back then. Who knows? It's all perception.
> >
> > Arch
> ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
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> My definition of slavery is a bit less esoteric than yours apparently. The
> kind of slaves I had in mind would have had no trouble at all with
> perception. Their condition would have been made obvious to them every day.
>
> I think it's possible to switch governing elites without really changing the
> daily life of the basically free people of a region much at all.
>
> Rich
>
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