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From: Bonnie Schrack <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Diagnostic markers for J haplotypes (was GROUP TESTINGOPTIONS- S25: TESTING DYS463)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:15:08 -0400


John wrote:
> I found 4 null DYS463, being the same 4 which I previously
> found, Bradley, Milne, Shana'a, and Durbin. I could not find any of these
> people on Y-Search.
Well, good job in finding these, and the others with 8-9. Would you be
so kind as to send me the haplotypes? I have Bradley (but not yet his
DYS464 values); I don't have Milne, Shana'a, or Durbin; of course I
don't know about those with 8-9 whose names you didn't mention.

Bradley seems to cluster with a number of others who have 24 at 390 and
14 at 388. Among these, Bradley shares an unusual 10 at 442 with
Wensley, Silva and a couple of other guys whose surnames are not given.
They all have 14 or 15 at DYS385a, and 9-9 at 459, except for Wensley,
who has 8-8 (usually seen only in RecLOH cases). Wensley has 20 at 463,
Silva has 23, one of the unknown surnames (who is from Chile) has 22,
but the other with an unknown surname also has a null at 463. This is
the one who has the surname Pinto somewhere else in his pedigree (not in
the paternal lineage). He also appears to have a null at 459. Given
Wensley's anomaly at that marker, maybe something was going on there
that affected the test.

Probably the one with Pinto in the pedigree has now acquired a
patrilineal surname in SMGF, since the time his haplotype was downloaded
(a long time ago)? He's the one with 15-16 at 385 (quite high for
J2a). Would that be one of the others you mentioned? Or maybe he
didn't come up in your search because you were using 459 as a search
criteria?

Thanks for your research, maybe it will lead to something, although I
don't understand how these nulls here and there in J would have anything
to do with the ones in R1b and R1a, unless it's a SNP that frequently
reverts.

Bonnie




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