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From: Cheryl Simani <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Queen of Egypt Mummy
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 20:14:46 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <012401c7bc43$6e046140$640fa8c0@Villandra2>


The Akkadians were from the moutains north of the Sumerians (i.e. Northern Iraq). They did speak a Semitic language, as did the Assyrians and Babylonians.

Dora Smith <> wrote: I thought I read within the past couple of days that the Sumerians came from
some place totally unexpected - their language was related to that of
Hungary - possibly as a result of the Black Sea flood. I thought hte
Akkadians were farther west and spoke a Semitic language, however.

Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cheryl Simani"
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Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Queen of Egypt Mummy


The 1st Intermediate Period (2260-2130 BCE) was brought on by the Akkadian
invasion, which reached to Ethiopia. The 2nd Intermediate Period (1790-1570
BCE) was due to the Asiatic Hyksos conquest. One can only speculate the
YDNA mix of their military forces. They fell to the Africans, Assyrians,
Babylonian, Persians, Greeks, and Romans long before militant Islam entered
the stage. Also, we must keep in mind that Egypt was always a major player
in international trade. All of this interaction leads to genetic diversity.

Well, we could throw a little more wood on the fire by adding that,
according to the Biblical Text, the early Egyptians was considered of the
same family (Cham) as the pre-IndoEuropean Sumerian, Hittites, Canaanites,
and Cushites (Ethiopians). It is interesting to note that the wall
paintings from an Egyptian tomb at Hierakonpolis (c. 3500 BCE) are similar
in style to the "Deer Hunt" wall painting from Level III at Catal Huyuk (c.
5750 BCE).



"R. & G. Stevens" wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Vass"
To:
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Queen of Egypt Mummy


In addition to Jordan I offer Southern Egypt and more as follows:

From: A Back Migration from Asia to Sub-Saharan Africa Is
Supported by High-Resolution Analysis of Human Y-Chromosome
Haplotypes by Scozzari et alii, "Interestingly, a frequency of 13%
has been previously reported in an Egyptian sample for a group of
chromo-somes defined as haplotype 1C (Scozzari et al. 1999) and
closely related to the M173 chromosomes. Unfortunately, this sample
was not available for the present study. Although we cannot define
more precisely the haplotype of the Egyptian 1C Y chromosomes, it is
worth noting that four of six of these chromosomes showed
dinucleotide microsatellite haplotypes that matched or were one-
step neighbors of the M173 chromosomes found in Cameroon."

>From (the referenced study): Combined use of biallelic and
microsatellite Y-chromosome polymorphisms to infer affinities among
African populations by Scozzari et alii ( aka 990054.web.pdf ) :
SEG are Southern Egyptians who are 21-23 at both YCA Iia & b as well
as 413a&b as am I and the Ouldeme according to Table B1 in the appendix.

I have a recent private communication from Rosaria Scozzari that I
"nearly match" several in her Cameroon database and I am awaiting her
permission to be more specific in my statement although I believe
that the other R1b1* clusters newly found are at a greater genetic
distance. Also I note that 68DJZ at ysearch, a near match, states
that his ancestors came from Judea in the second century.

(Said with a broad grin) If that is not sufficient, I could also
suggest that I am proud to be a direct descendant of both King David
and King Tut.

Sam Vass R1b1*
________________________________________________________________

Perhaps both the South Egyptian and Chadic-speaking Cameroonian R1(xR1a) men
are descendants of the Hyksos?

I'm sure there are a number of possible explanations and a lot of water
under the bridge since the beginning of time.

It would still surprise me if the mummy of a native Egyptian pharaoh (i.e.,
not part of a foreign dynasty) turned out to be R1b*.

Rich


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