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From: "R. & G. Stevens" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Queen of Egypt Mummy
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:35:48 -0500
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From: "brian quinn" <>
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Subject: Re: [DNA] Queen of Egypt Mummy


Cheryl, Though....


From
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v74n3/40703/40703.html?
erFrom=-3377910149828978471Guest

The Levant versus the Horn of Africa: Evidence for Bidirectional Corridors
of Human Migrations

J. R. Luis
..."(1) The E3b1-M78 and E3b3-M123 lineages, as well as the R1*-M173
lineages, mark gene flow between Egypt and the Levant during the Upper
Paleolithic and Mesolithic."

http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v74n3/40703/40703.html?
erFrom=-3377910149828978471Guest

Nice phylo tree shows couple of R1b3 in Egypt couple in Oman, quite a few
R1a1 in Oman

And 14 R1* in South Cameroon.

However they miss out the North Cameroon where there are lots of R1b1.. well
they have P25+ and http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/WoodEJHG2005.pdf says
North Cameroon got men with P25+ and speak afroasiatic.

So I would say those Cameroon R folk must have passed from Asia through
Egypt and into Africa a very long time ago. But as with all folk migrations
leaving a trail of sons dotted behind. But Egypt's dynasties developed form
the Mesolithic peoples- no need to invoke Hyksos etc who are after the first
dynasties and likely climatic refugees and just starving boat people rather
than an invasion fleet.

So the Mesoliths prob mixed haps and early Pharoah an R1* or whatever.
However have to acknowledge that these asiatics coming into Africa may well
be pale. Are the early drawings of the Pharoahs pale?

Hmm just found that Rameses II was red haired and pale skinned

"The results of the study were edited by L. Balout, C. Roubet and C.
Desroches-Noblecourt, and was titled 'La Momie de Ramsès II: Contribution
Scientifique à l'Égyptologie (1985).' Balout and Roubet concluded that the
"the anthropological study and the microscopic analysis" of the pharaoh's
hair showed that Ramses II was "a fair-skinned man related to the
Prehistoric and Antiquity Mediterranean peoples, or briefly, of the Berber
of Africa."" From wikipedia

Brian Quinn
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I wonder. Maybe all that is correct, but so much has happened over time that
I am reluctant to chalk anything up to prehistoric folk and their alleged
peregrinations.

This reminds me of that paper on y-dna on the island of Crete that was
discussed a couple of times on this list. The researchers found some R1b1c
on the Lasithi Plateau and swiftly jumped to the conclusion that it
represented the original "Paleolithic" settlers. As it turned out, the
Venetians controlled the island for three or four hundred years and early on
had run all the natives off the Lasithi Plateau. In the 15th century they
resettled the place with Greeks from the Peloponnesus. Oops!

What I recall in looking at those Egyptian and Cameroonian studies is that
the samples were powerfully small. No doubt the tribes and/or villages
involved were correspondingly miniscule.

Rich

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