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From: "Dora Smith" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Come again with how to discern H2a2? Or is it H*?
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:13:21 -0500
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Kathy:

I'm not following. I have a reply to Ann's other post to me that I'm
holding until I see what she just wrote to me while I was replying to her
first post. I actually thought her first post was a reply to this
question, because she discussed the same issue.

My question may make more sense after I post my reply to Ann - but what it
looks like you are saying is that if you are CRS you have the five mutations
that define H2a2, but the main difference is that they don't tell you.

The one thing I'm sure of is that if you have five differences from teh CRS
you aren't CRS.

Could you have meant to tell me that if you are H* you have the five
mutations and nothing else, and if you are H2a2 you have the five mutations
and nothing else, and the difference is whether they tell you you have the
five mutations?

Are you trying to tell me you also wonder if H2a2 is really teh same thing
and we don't have the data to look into it properly, which I'd definitely
have to second?

This is why people need to share their markers on that nascent H2 project -
atleast the markers that define the phylogeny. So we can get more data to
take the phylogeny apart with. What they do with their "private" markers
is a different matter.

Yup, it is certainly easy enough to get turned around on a path that may
lead between the CRS and H. So easy I wonder if alot of good scientists
have gotten turned around, resulting in the phylogeny going two ways at
once, and hopeless confusion.

Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX

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Subject: Re: [DNA] Come again with how to discern H2a2? Or is it H*?


> When people get their results of the FGS from the
> testing companies, they sometimes get confused,
> especially when they immediately go to a phylogenetic
> tree to find the polymorphisms.
>
> If you happen to be in the part of the H2 section that is
> CRS, then the markers listed on the tree will NOT be
> the markers in your CR results section that is reported
> to you.
>
> Therefore if you have these:
> A750G, A1438G, A4769G, A8860G, A15326G
> please DON'T look for these markers on the actual
> trees because you will NOT be in the CRS even if
> you think you should be.
>
> If you are in the standard CRS you will likely have
> 750A,1438A, 4769A, 8860A and 15326A and these
> are also the markers on the phylogenetic tree that
> distinguish you from the other subclades. But because
> the CRS is the standard by which all other subclades
> are judged, if you are CRS, you will NOT have these
> markers reported to you and you will need to realize
> that it is what is NOT reported by the testing companies
> that is important for you to know when you look at
> the tree at Mitomap. It is also the same when you
> look at Ian Logan's H2 site as well. If you are CRS,
> then the polymorphisms are the ones listed above that
> are NOT reported to you in your report.
>
> I hope that wasn't as clear as mud.
>
> How does Argus report on the CR (coding region)
> markers? FTDNA tells you the differences you
> have from the CRS in a "CR" section. I differ
> from the CRS at 3388, 8860 and 15326 so my
> branch comes off the tree just above the CRS and
> is still part of the proposed H2a2 (formerly? H2b).
>
> I am not clear on the H* designation. Is anyone
> ever just reported as plain H with no further
> sub-classification?
>
> Kathy J.
>
>
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