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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Geography question on the Ukraine and the Balkans
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:22:01 -0600
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dora Smith" <>

> I now understand that "the Ukraine" consistently means the area north of
> the
> Black Sea, not west of it where the Danube River is as I had thought.
> What
> is more, Ukrainian archeological sites are consistently located north of
> the
> Black Sea and not west of it.

Much of eastern present-day Ukraine (north of Black Sea) is populated by
Russians and not to my knowledge historical Ukraine. It was added to the
Ukrainian political district by one of the Soviet rulers for purposes not
clear to me (probably some form of divide and conquer, no doubt), and if you
recall a year or so ago during the soft revolution in Ukraine, there was
this big question of whether western Ukraine, populated primarily by
Ukrainians, would out vote the Russians from eastern Ukraine in the show
down between those wanting to keep Ukraine affiliated with Russia and the
more pro-western parties. I don't think this issue is resolved yet, and
perhaps Ukraine as presently defined will yet split?

Present day political boundaries of many countries are high-stress artifacts
of recent political decisions --- often made by people not even living in
the affected products. What the scholars meant by the "Ukrainian refuge" is
not clear to me, and maybe not by them, either. Perhaps its the area where
they have found the most artifacts dated to the heart of the LGM interval ?

Ken



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