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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] I1b1-Dinaric
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:57:05 -0600
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I found a 25 marker identical match with the unknown with 448 = 21. He is
from Israel with perhaps a Ukrainian name ending in "sky"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] I1b1-Dinaric


>I found 5 of 46 Ysearch haplotypes of I1b1-Dinaric having 21 at 448. Three
> of them claim from Scotland! Unusual place for the clade. One from Greece
> and one unknown for which I can't even pin down the surname ethnicity.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 4:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] I1b1-Dinaric
>
>
>> Do you have any region of origin for most of your 448 = 21 I1b1-Dinaric
>> haplotypes? You are correct; among the 67 marker examples I have there
>> are
>> no 448 = 21 ones; there are 17 with 20 and 9 with 19, and I already
>> indicated some time ago that I think the 448 = 19 ones are from south of
>> the
>> Danube to greater degree. There are indications that 449 and 464b change
>> their modalities along with the 448 = 19/20 split.
>>
>> Before I got into the collection game for the 67 marker haplotypes, I had
>> found the variance of all I1b1-Dinaric I found in SMGF. It turned out to
>> be
>> only 65 percent of the variance of I1a-AS, and somewhere between the
>> variances of I1a-N and I1a-uN. SMGF had essentially no 448 = 21
>> haplotypes.
>> Have you found a special family clade with the 448 = 21?
>>
>> I'll take a look at Ysearch for the shorter haplotypes? They could be a
>> special Jewish clade of I1b1-Dinaric?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lawrence Mayka" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 4:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DNA] I1b1-Dinaric
>>
>>
>>> Do any of your 67-marker I1b1-Dinaric haplotypes have DYS448=21? I
>>> cannot
>>> find any DYS448=21 among the 67-marker I1b1-Dinaric on Ysearch, yet it
>>> is
>>> fairly common at the 37-marker level. I am wondering whether those with
>>> DYS448=21 will turn out to be somewhat more distant, which would
>>> increase
>>> your estimate of the clade's age.
>>>
>>>> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Ken Nordtvedt
>>>> But since we are on the topic of eastern Europe this and
>>>> thats, I have to
>>>> bring up again the amazing youth of I1b1-Dinaric as it is
>>>> panning out with my 67 marker haplotype collection of same.
>>>
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