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Subject: Re: [DNA] mtDNA Full Sequence Match
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:14:41 +0000
While I have yet to have my mtDNA's haplotype confirmed, but with my 6 mutations I appear to
be H1b. My most distant ancestor that I can confirm was born in Kent, but her mother's maiden
name was Wheller. This surname is found mainly in the southwestern part of England.
(The general location of Gough's Cave)
Perhaps my H1b may have come from this area.
My other opinion on my haplotype is that it may have come from someone from Scandanavia,
that is one of the Viking maidens. I may find out someday, or may be not.
I wish the FGS was cheaper or I would have it done.
I agree in most cases one can not tell what haplogroup one belongs to by HVR1 only, but
from what I've have seen and read only some members of H1b have my 6 mutations:
129A, 189C, 355T, 356C, 362C, 519C.
Other members of H1b do not have all 6 mutations, perhaps this subclade may need to be divided
into smaller groups some day. Or it may be possible I belong to a group other than H1b.
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Dora Smith" <>
> Anne, do you think that H1 evolved more than once?
> As I recall, besides haplogroup H, 3010A occurs in one or two of the L
> clades, and a D clade. In all these cases it became common. This is
> persuasive that the mutation is adaptive, especially at the rate at which H1
> has contributed to H's takeover of Europe, but not that it evolved more than
> once in haplogroup H, without in atleast one case being a subclade of
> another mutation.
> I believe that only one case has been found of 3010A in haplogroup H that is
> not unequivocally H1. I'm not actually sure that I'm thinking of 3010A
> here; I could be thinking of a back mutation of something else in H2.
> I have another question.
> Suppose that my mutations are really 3010A, 16519C, 263G, 309.1C, and
> I reached Dr. Oppenheimer and his administrative assistant, and could only
> get vague information on the haplotype of the 13,000 year old skeleton in
> Gough's Cave that is haplogroup H. The administrative assistant told me
> it matched the CRS. I think most likely at HVR1, but this was never
> specified. You know that CRS at HVR1 and HVR2 both has a 2/3 chance or
> something of being in haplogroup H2, and it is primarily H1 and H3 that
> would have been in southern England 13,000 years ago.
> If a mutation was ever a loose canon, it was probably 16519C.
> My female line ancestor came from a village 30 miles from Gough Cave.
> What is the liklihood that my female line ancestor and the skeleton in
> Gough's cave could have common ancestry?
> I say could because there's nothing about H1* that couldn't have come to
> Britain with the Romans or the Saxons.
> Dora Smith
> Austin, TX
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> > included). Moving left to the H1 section, there are some sequences that
> > match
> > the clan mother exactly, with no additional mutations. Yet there are many
> > branches, and branches within branches, that have accumulated a number of
> > mutations.
> > And there's even the unsettling question of whether all those people with
> > the
> > mutation "defining" H1 (3010A) are actually descended from the clan
> > mother.
> > 3010A is a hotspot, occurring multiple time in the phylogenetic tree, so
> > some
> > of those people could be Identical by State (IBS) rather than Identical by
> > Descent (IBD).
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