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From: "David Wilson" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b1c10 found in Ireland
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 05:33:40 -0700
Lovelace Y4AJV will also be S28+ because he is a known male-line cousin of
95A6D. Y4AJV has 67 markers whereas 95A6D has only 37, so you can pick up
values for the later 30-marker panel by proxy (including 565=10, an odd
value that really struck my eye).
These Lovelaces are from Dorset, by the way. I think they are the only SW
English S28+ individuals in your collection. Like Ireland, that region is
sort of off the beaten path for this clade based on current knowledge. It
will be interesting to see what the distribution looks like when you have a
hundred confirmed exemplars from the British Isles.
Now that the assertion has been made by the UA lab that R1b1c3 and R1b1c5
(old labels) are actually subclades of R1b1c10, I have been thinking about
ordering a DeepSNP test on one of these related Lovelaces. Do you know how
many members of your S28+ data set have NOT been tested for M126 and M160?
[mailto:] On Behalf Of David Faux
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 11:55 PM
To: DNA Rootsweb
Subject: [DNA] R1b1c10 found in Ireland
I am not sure if more English or more Irish have tested for S28. However,
while there have been perhaps 10% of English R1b1c who have tested S28+,
until today no one of Irish descent.
Ysearch 9KDAF has a very Irish surname, with a long lineage. Some would
assert that this is evidence for the longevity of S28 in Ireland - but one
single sample in two years of testing does not support this hypothesis. The
situation with R1a1 in Ireland is similar - very rare, but doubtless of
Norse origin (matching known Norse or Norse colonial haplotypes). It is
possible, due to the prominence of this family, that we are seeing something
comparable to Somerled, the Norse progenitor of the R1a1 McDonald clan in
Scotland. R1b1c10 is found in SE Norway.
9KDAF's motif is Eastern and Central European with DYS492=14 found in
Southern Germany, Italy and Latvia for example - but not England to date.
This is a very interesting development.
Another R1b1c10 was also reported on www.dna-forums.org tonight - G547U
with the earliest known ancestor from Canada but with a surname typical of
the Border Reivers of Northumberland County England.
If you have tested S28+ recently, kindly inform me by e-mail providing me
with your Ysearch number so that I can add you to the R1b1c10 database at
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