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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] FTDNA TEST SNP M223
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 09:01:13 -0700
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20071130210109.00bb4ab8@mail.nevadalink.com>


Jon, I have a 67 marker haplotype with surname "Fox" in
I1b2a-Continental-2b, but not in the I1b2a1-Isles M284+ clade.
I1b2a (old I1c) is not necessarily M284+, but rather M223+. M284+ is a
further sub-haplogroup.

With a "t" still in your DYF371 you probably are not null425. If you have
67 markers look in the last panel; you probably show a 12 for DYS425. When
that "t" is gone near one of the arms of DYF371, it turns out the DYS425
chemical primers can get no reading for DYS425. So they record 0 or null
for that marker. All M284+ haplotypes so far have turned out null DYS425

Perhaps you are an interesting exception?

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Fox" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] FTDNA TEST SNP M223


> Hi Ken,
>
> Your reply below to Dave was not clear to me. I have had the DYF371 test,
> with the following results:
>
> 10c-12t-13c-15c
>
> So does this "12t" value mean I am NOT M284+ ? Also, I am not sure
> what
> "null425" means. I probably have it all bvackwards.
>
> You have my other results in your database as well, and it has some rather
> different values for other markers that makes it a very distinctive
> haplotype in the I1b2a haplogroup.
>
> Jon
>
>
>>Message: 7
>>Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:48:50 -0700
>>From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
>>Subject: Re: [DNA] FTDNA TEST SNP M223
>>To: <>
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>>What would be a lot more interesting is whether you are null425 or M284+
>>(sub-haplogroup of M223+) Your haplotype seems a renegade (off the beaten
>>path) version of I1b2a-Isles or I1b2a-Roots. A test of DYF371 by Krahn's
>>advanced testing lab at FTDNA would tell you which. It is a relatively
>>inexpensive test, $20 or so, and it shows a "t" mutation near DYF371
>>missing
>>if you are null425. To directly see if the null is there you get the
>>38-67
>>panel which would be interesting in your case in its own right. But
>>DYF371
>>would give you a quick and inexpensive answer.
>>
>>Ken
>
>
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