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From: JOHN PLUMMER <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Just when you think you have it figured out
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 09:23:20 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <1196198632_1993@smtp.awasco.com>


SMGF does not list DYS 511 but the other 9 values given by Dr Nordtvedt for I1a-AS4 match the Wells-Jones-Philips-Roberts haplotype. I mentioned in a previous post that the Welsh tribal patriarch Godwin is the most likely possibility so far for the ancestors of at least the Welsh examples of this clade.

The Wells-Jones-Philips-Roberts data does nothing but stengthen my hypothesis. Siddons shows families of Jones and Roberts descended in the male line from Godwin.

John Plummer

OrinWells <> wrote:
As a matter of fact, I ran into a case in the UK where along the
Scotland/England border area Wales is pronounced Wells. I have run
into more than one origin of the name Wells having been corrupted
from something else.

As someone else suggested it may well be that what I am seeing here
is the consequence of a long period of the use of Patronymic naming
in Wales and thus several surnames ended up being claimed by
descendents of a common ancestor. The odds are we will never pin it
down because the paper trails likely do not exist.

At 01:12 PM 11/27/2007, JOHN PLUMMER wrote:
>Well, in this case I suspect the name may be a variant of Welsh,
>Walsh, Wallace, Valance, Wales, Whale, Waleys, etc.
>
>OrinWells wrote: I have been running happily
>with 43 markers on our Wells projects
>confident that 43 was enough to sort out the different families from
>each other. Then I had to go "fishing" in the Sorenson DNA data.
>
>I found a new Wells sample in their database I had not seen before
>and I only have a possible clue to who the submitter might be from a
>cousin who has contacted me.
>
>When I figured out the haplotype I discovered it does not match any
>of the Wells families so no help for that person if I can even find
>him. But I couldn't leave well enough alone and decided to check to
>see if this matched anything else.
>
>There were three EXACT matches to all with different surnames.
>
>1) Jones - traces through Illinois, NC to Chester Co, PA to a David
>Jones b: 1677 Nottingham, Chester Co., PA m: Elizabeth _____
>2) Phillips - traces to an Emanuel E. Phillips b: 26 Nov 1813 Oneida,
>Scott Co., TN m: Leanner Sexton
>3) Roberts - traces through Ohio to Abraham Roberts b: 1784 in
>Loudoun Co., VA m: Anna Catherine DeLaughter
>
>Allowing one mutation I found there were three more.
>4) Gwilliams - traces through Utah, to a Benjamin Phillips (see #2)
>of Shropshire, England - looks like this was a name change from Phillips.
>5) Rees - from Utah to a John Rees b: 12 Oct 1831 somewhere (not indicated)
>6) Wooten - traces through North Carolina, Isle of Wight, Virginia
>(Wotton) to Thomas Watton b: 1559 Peterborugh, Northamptonshire, England
>
>Two mutations yielded still 7 more "matches" including two more
>Gwilliams entries and three Burch entries who appear to be from the
>same family plus a Davis and a Rowland.
>
>I can see no possible connection between these different families let
>alone to the Wells except maybe the Phillips and Gwilliams. I
>suspect if these are connected it was back in antiquity. They
>certainly are not going to be helping anyone with their genealogy.
>
>This is an example of random selection probably where multiple
>surnames were taken on by the same genetic family. If so, it does
>not matter because the paper trails won't get you there anyway. We
>can safely exclude such "matches" from consideration except where
>something appears to have "happened" to the DNA of the presumed
>family line. Did this Wells family start out as something else? If
>it did, which surname contributed? Where did it happen and who was involved?
>
>I am afraid we are all still pioneers in this adventure.
>
>
>
>Orin R. Wells
>Wells Family Research Association
>P. O. Box 5427
>Kent, Washington 98064-5427
>
>http://www.wells.org
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Orin R. Wells
Wells Family Research Association
P. O. Box 5427
Kent, Washington 98064-5427

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