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From: "Havelock Vetinari" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Germans who carry J and G (was PLOS Genetics)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:05:51 -0500
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While it is possible that the 50 could have been the ancestors of all
non-African humans the fact the researchers talk about northern
Europeans implies that they think it is more likely that the 50 are
only their ancestors. I think it is unlikely that haplogroups J, K and
G were in Europe over 25,000 years. Many Swiss, French, Russians and
Hungarians would be considered Northern Europeans.

Regards,

Paul D.

On 12/11/07, ellen Levy <> wrote:
> Paul:
>
> I suggest you read the paper a little more closely.
> The scientists speculate that the SNP may have arisen
> during the founding of Europe by modern homo sapien
> sapiens, not Northern Europe. As far as I last heard,
> southeastern Europe was still part of Europe. In
> fact, the authors state that the bottleneck that led
> to the SNP could very well be associated with the
> original population that left Africa and founded the
> "world population," not just Northern Europe. And
> they certainly don't mention haplogroups at all; thus,
> I assume the ancestors to groups like J, K and G were
> among this migrating group, as their origins do not
> lie in Africa.
>
> Furthermore, there is no information provided on any
> populations other than "Northern Europeans" and hence
> no information on "Central Europeans," "Eastern
> Europeans," "Mediterranean Europeans," or
> "Southeastern Europeans." So your assumption that
> these populations do not carry the SNP and do not also
> descend from the same 50 founders postulated in the
> article is misfounded. Additionally, I do not think
> the authors of the study, at least in the article you
> provided, indicate what populations constitute their
> "Northern European" sample.
>
> And as usual, you have failed to address the questions
> I have posed. What populations in your theory
> constitute "Northern Europeans." How about Swiss?
> French? Russians? Hungarians?
>
>
> Ellen Coffman

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