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From: "Arch Yeomans" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Removal of Genetics Component of Wiki Article
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:56:42 -0800
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In-Reply-To: <708868.4599.qm@web50704.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


I wouldn't use Wiki as a reliable source for unverified information.
Inherent problems arise when there are rules that nobody follows and that
are not enforced per se. I guess we can't complain when it's free I suppose,
and I am usually baffled by the lack of information from encylopedias that
require a purchase. You can always go back and replace what he put in and
state your arguments there in the discussion tab. I have no credentials just
an interest with finding the truth of my deep ancestry and a deep interest
in population genetics. I am sure Stevo is the same way and probably more
grounded in reality than I am sometimes as most of us would love to believe
our DNA is associated with some famous or renowned type of clan, culture or
even a person and therefore the $$ roll in when the likes of FTDNA put out
ads like find out if you're related to Ui Niell the Dark Age King of
Ireland, or others. We need stable minded people like Stevo to get us back
to reality, and away from our flights of fancy. But I wouldn't go so far as
"attacking", that does no good for anybody whether credentialed as some bona
fide expert in genetics or population genetics, or not credentialed at all.
I find DNA fascinating and wished I had the time, money and resources to
become an expert. At first I didn't know what to think of him as I felt he
was trying to lure me away from the forums at FTDNA, to the site he helps
Admin. But the truth is, FTDNA forums were becoming quite irritating with
the lack of open discussion as compared to the site where Stevo can be
found. I wouldn't take it personal but as a challenge to disprove Stevo when
you know absolutely he is wrong and you have solid proof or convincing
evidence to your theories. I don't think Stevo is discrediting your
knowledge and accomplishments as much as he's wanting the truth and making
sure it's good information with the evidence to show that it's solid. That's
my take.

On Dec 18, 2007 9:14 PM, David Faux <> wrote:

> List:
>
> Here is the editing of "Stevo" (who is well known on this List; and on
> other DNA forums under that "handle"):
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cimbri&action=history
>
> "There is no real evidence for the genetic claims made in this section.
> They are the speculations of a hobbyist and are supported only by his own
> web sites and blogs."
>
> I don't have a blog.
>
> My paper is found at www.davidkfaux.org/Cimbri-Chronology.pdf. The fact
> is that I am a "hobbyist", but do incidentally have a doctorate in Medical
> Sciences and co-founded a DNA testing company. He is clearly dismissing the
> work of many of us who may not be population geneticists. I have never
> heard that this person has any credentials whatsoever but yet can step
> forward and dismiss my (or your) work because he has a longstanding axe to
> grind. One thing I do know is that while I have written a 92 page
> manuscript on the topic he has done NOTHING in the way of researching this
> topic, and is best known for scathing criticisms of the work of others
> (including Underhill's paper by Myers et al., 2007).
>
> Why am I posting this here? Because the whole matter stems from a
> posting I made here over a year ago and there is a long history - who will
> he target next? Watch your back. You might want to see if what you have
> written on Wiki or elsewhere has been arbitrarily edited out.
>
> I will drop the matter as I know that moderation will follow - meanwhile
> I will contact Wiki and try to sort things out.
>
> David K. Faux.
>
>
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