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From: David Faux <>
Subject: [DNA] R1b1c10 Database and Proposed Story Back to Magdalenian Times
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:40:16 -0800 (PST)


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It never ceases to amaze me how, despite relatively few testing for the S series, so many individuals from Switzerland and Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany have tested S28+ and still (despite hundreds testing) no one from Ireland (or the 19th Century diaspora from there) has tested positive (contrasted to the abundance of M222-R1b1c7). Most of the major hillforts and chiefly burials of the Celtic Hallstatt era are within what is today Baden-Wurttemberg. The database is found at http://www.davidkfaux.org/R1b1c10_Data.htm.

The database shows the division between those who are DYS492=12 (standard for R1b1c) and those who have a repeat value of 14 at this marker. I think I am going to be able to offer a sensible explanation the origins of this dichotomy by refering to early migration patterns reflected in the archaeological record - but everything is very preliminary now (as usual, we need more data).

A major revision has been made, largely due to our newest S28 sending me about 40 maps (largely in German, and of excellent quality). They help to tell the story of S28 from Magdalanian times (17,000 years BC) to today via archaeology and historical records. This "story of S28" can be found at http://www.davidkfaux.org/LaTene_Celt_R1b1c10.pdf. The latter will likely have some relevance to other R1b1c groupings, and perhaps the same approach can be used to outline the probable antecedents of S21.

Nothing is written in stone. I have purposely not published any of my material in the print media (e.g., academic journals) since I have a habit of making changes on a frequent basis - requiring that I updata my manuscript in doc format, convert it to pdf, then upload it to my website. This offers tremendous flexibility and I see no reason for a static print - based work, at least not at this time. Everything is somewhat tentative anyway until much larger numbers test (either in an academic publication or commercially).

David K. Faux.

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