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Subject: Re: [DNA] mtDNA H1 Phylogenetic Tree suggested
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:11:51 EST


In a message dated 1/2/2008 9:22:41 AM Pacific Standard Time,
writes:

> The in-progress tree is located:
> http://savart.info/h1.htm


Wow! You sure did a lot of work assembling all this information.

[snip]

> Since H1f has been proposed being downstream of H1b in a few
> publications over the last few years, I have reclassified it there,
> and I've assigned my own subclade (4733C) to H1f. I could not find
> reference to the markers defining subclades H1d and H1e, or if a H1g
> ever existed, so I have reassigned those also. I can re-arrange if
> that information is put forth.

I had also been unable to find good sources for H1d and H1e. I just now
searched Google Scholar http://scholar.google.com where I did see one file with
H1d, but it looked like it was an informal classification

http://mtmanager.yonsei.ac.kr/help/MutationMotif.pdf

The above file seems to be quite new, and it has HVR motifs for all major
haplogroups, so others might want to check out how well it meshes with their
haplogroup assignments.

> Samples results are confusing under H1b. I suggest a reverse mutation
> of 5460 (which defines H1b) which reverts to its original state in a
> few of its subclades. That seems like a viable hypothesis for now.

I haven't really thought this through, but I did notice that you are using a
known hotspot, 16189C, to define H1b. That might be part of the problem.

In fact, 3010A itself is a hotspot (it occurs 19 times in the phylogenetic
tree at MitoMap), so it's quite possible that not every H with 3010A inherited
it from a common ancestor. I had one case that had the motif for both H1 and H3
(6776C). FTDNA called her H1, but I leaned toward H3 because of 3010A is so
fickle. She had some private mutations as well, so maybe one of these years a
close match will come along that lacks one or the other of the motifs while
sharing the private mutations :)

I didn't understand what you meant by "recessive" in your table?

Ann Turner






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