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From: "Arch Yeomans" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b1c and Sardinia - potentially important implications
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:56:49 -0800
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I truly wished the DNA companies would just automatically Deep SNP test
their clients just for the sake of helping us identify the ancestral
homelands of the R1b subclades. Though I wasn't quite sure to make of the
suggestion that Sardinia is the "homeland" of R1b1c6. I'm wondering what
linguistic connections Sardinia has with Basque. Sardi means Whale in the
Basque language, and there appears to be Basque cognates in the Sardinian
language. I'm still skeptical, but wonder about the possibility of Sardinia
being the "homeland" even though by now we should have had some showing of
the clade; but nothing. The question has to be asked, how many men have
tested for their subclade, STR, or just tested at all in Sardinia. I think
is the difficult part for a rare subclade, on the other hand it does help to
"pinpoint" an ancestral homeland with a greater degree of accuracy if it's
not too spread out. From all the distribution maps I have seen, it looks to
truly be an Iberian marker and probably made it to Britain and Ireland via
Atlantic Trade-Exchange Networks. I know we had ponderings on the Milesians,
but what about the Tartessians and Carthaginians who traded with Beleriand
or Cornwall/Devon? What about Ictis (possibly MountBatten in Plymouth), the
Irish Bronze Spearheads found in Huelva (a port of Tartessos).

Tartessians and Carthaginians ruled over the Iberian (non-Celtic and
non-Indo European) regions of Iberia with the exception of the
Basque Country. Euskara may or may not be related to Iberian, but there
appears to be quite a borrowing. It appears the Greeks were aware of the
trade routes and competed against the Phoenicians, Carthaginians, as well
Romans and possibly Etruscans. The M167 find in Sicily could very well be
related to the trade network as an outpost. The great cities of Carthage,
Corinth, Rome and Alexandria were the main import centers to receive the
highly sought tin of Beleriand, Galicia, Brittany, etc. If the TMCRA is some
9,780 yrs old then we have a Neolithic based subclade, but it seems to be a
Western European LBA era subclade (c. 3,580 bp) based on age.

Arch










On Jan 13, 2008 7:54 PM, David Faux <> wrote:

> Vince wrote: I don't know about S21 and S28, but Sardinian populations
> were included in some of the early papers that tested M167 and no M167+ has
> ever been reported from Sardinia. M167 got a lot of play because it was the
> "Basque" marker, and it predates the discovery of M269. We all know the
> danger of making assumptions, but if anyone had found the "Basque" marker in
> Sardinia (given the legendary genetic isolation of the latter) I have no
> doubt at all it would have been reported far and wide.
> ______________________________________________________________
>
> In the Italian Project at FTDNA there is a fellow with the surname
> Gillberti, whose ancestors are from Sicily, and who is SNP tested as R1b1c6
> (M167+).
>
> I also notice that there is a fellow, not SNP tested, but R1b1 whatever
> whose ancestors are from Sardinia. There could be others, but many entries
> have neither a surname nor place associated with the haplotype. If he has a
> prototypic Sardinian surname, I would be willing to pay for the testing of
> M167, S21 and S28 for this person if he could be contacted and is
> interested.
>
> David K. Faux.
>
>
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