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From: ellen Levy <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Nature Genetics: A Genetic View of Jewish History
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:51:56 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <011201c86517$fd062270$6400a8c0@Ken1>


Again, Ken, it was Jon who made the invitation to
listers to locate material in his book that might be
considered "racist." I merely took him up on that
offer. I didn't brand anyone anything or insinuate
anything either. I suggest you go back and re-read my
posts, not to mention Jon's as well. In fact, I
stated very clearly that I was not calling Jon a
"racist." However, to quote from Jon's book (and to
address your assertion that the issue is really not
that important): "Whenever the words "Jew" and "race"
are used together, even with all the scientific
qualifications, there's room for possible trouble."

But again, this detracts from the real issues of
Jewish DNA and genetic problems of Jon's book.

Do you consider haplogroup E3b a "Jewish-Arab clade"?
Why was it described as such? What message did
describing it as such convey (if any) and was it meant
to convey such a message?

Why do think Jews cluster most closely with Turks and
Greeks rather than Syrians and Palestinians? Seems
like a very important fact. Yet why are the studies
presented in a way (even in Jon's book) that leaves
the impression that Jews do in fact cluster most
closely with Syrians and Palestianians?

Do you think the studies support the assertion that
all Jewish groups (except Ethiopian Jews) can trace
their Y shared haplotype markers back four thousand
years? If so, what are those markers?

What markers make one "ancestrally Jewish" (as
described in the book)?

Do you agree with Hammer's assessment that Jews are
really a "single ethnic group coming from the Middle
East"?

Also, Hammer's statement that Jewish phenotype of
having blue eyes and light skin is misleading and
should be ignored as their genes "are telling that
you're from the Middle East." What findings support
this contention? Is there anything to be gained from
examining Jewish phenotypes and, if so, what (or
should it just be ignored as Hammer suggests)?

Ellen Coffman

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