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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] The Story of I1b1 (P37.2+)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:53:08 -0700
References: <813233.10721.qm@web88110.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Right now there is nothing else within the P37.2+ division of "I". But
there is the chance that in the future both FTDNA and EA will offer some new
SNPs within "I" that could be interesting, although from what I have seen
from the underlying journal papers the new (already discovered) SNPs would
be most promising for I1a and old I1c (new I1b2a) and upstream old I1* (new
I1b*). But I try to keep my eyes on any new, promsing developments.

If your P41 test comes back negative the universe is orderly. Actually,
your extended haplotype, although confidently I1b1-Isles, is quite unusual
at a number of marker values.

Ken


----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth Kipp" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] The Story of I1b1 (P37.2+)


> Ken, if it comes back negative does it help us at all? Is there anything
> further to test (in a couple of months I could do that)? Elizabeth
>
> Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp, PLCGS
> Guild of one-name studies #4600 - LAMBDEN, PINCOMBE and SIDERFIN
> Webpage: http://ca.geocities.com/ type="text/javascript">DisplayMail('rogers.com','kippeeb');/
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ken Nordtvedt <>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2008 2:09:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] The Story of I1b1 (P37.2+)
>
> I couldn't wait for EA. I obtained a P41+ sample from a university and
>
> bought an extended haplotype for it. It looks like southern
> I1b1-Dinaric.
> So I would be surprised (indeed shocked) now if an I1b1-Isles turns
> out
> positive for P41. But please share your results in any case when
> they
> come in.
>
> Ken
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elizabeth Kipp" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] The Story of I1b1 (P37.2+)
>
>
>> Ethnoancestry has now had my brother's sample I1b1 (P37.2+) - ysearch
>
>> 36Q9Z - for P41 testing for four weeks exactly. They estimated up to
> eight
>> weeks for testing. Hopefully others have also sent for the P41
> testing to
>> see if we can use it as an SNP. There are still no matches on FT DNA
> (or
>> Sorenson or Ancestry or Oxford Ancestry) for this sample (67 markers
> have
>> been completed plus subclade testing). Blood of the Isles database
> (Sykes)
>> the closest to me is three steps away on ten markers. With DYS388 =
> 11 we
>> are an anomaly I suspect. On paper this family line was found at
> Upper
>> Clatford, Hampshire, England from 1757 to the mid 1900s; at Andover,
>
>> Hampshire, England from the 1500s to 1757. Possibly this family links
> back
>> to the Blake family at Calne, Wiltshire where they are found back to
> the
>> 1200s on paper (still working on that proof). My 4x great grandfather
> was
>> an only child as was his father so it has been possible to trace down
> most
>> of the
>> descendants at least to the early 1900s. My brothers are the only
> living
>> direct male line descendants of my great grandfather. The Blake DNA
> study
>> at FT DNA shows I1a5, R1b1c, J2 and C3 plus our I1b1. The study is up
> to
>> 14 on FT DNA.
>>
>> Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp, PLCGS
>> Guild of one-name studies #4600 - LAMBDEN, PINCOMBE and SIDERFIN
>> Webpage: http://ca.geocities.com/ type="text/javascript">DisplayMail('rogers.com','kippeeb');/
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Ken Nordtvedt <>
>> To: ;
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2008 1:09:09 PM
>> Subject: [DNA] The Story of I1b1 (P37.2+)
>>
>> Over 20,000 Years of I1b1 (P37.2+) Haplogroup
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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