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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] DYS 389-2
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:23:05 -0700
References: <OF30ECE63A.B93D257B-ON042573EC.004CAED7-042573EC.0052A50C@gov.an>


My own sheet of R1b1 modal haplotypes shows one called Eastern-1 with 28 at
389ii, 10 at 391 14 at 393 and 12 and 392

I don't know how populous it is. It could contribute to this west/east
split you see.

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martijn Niekus" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 8:04 AM
Subject: [DNA] DYS 389-2


> To All
>
> I've been fiddling around with data from all FTDNA geographical groups
> especially the R1b1c data (occasionally some Ysearch data added). One of
> my rough findings is the following and it concerns the DYS 389-2.
>
> The modal value for 389-2 is obviously 29.
> The total R1b1c distribution on the values 28, 29 and 30 are respectively
> 0.11, 0.59 and 0.25 (N=1768). (N.b. 30 > 28)
> Most geographic groups concur this pattern albeit at different frequencies
> even up to 0.91 for the modal value of 29 within the Breifne Clans. There
> are however some distinct groups with lower modal values.
>
> Belarussian Jewish 28 (0.67) 29 (0.00) 30 (0.33) (N=3)
> Jewish Ukraine west 28 (0.75) 29 (0.00) 30 (0.25) (N=3)
> Lithuanian 28 (0.47) 29 (0.33) 30 (0.13) (N=14)
>
> and to a lesser extend
> Danish Demes 28 (0.50) 29 (0.50) 30 (0.00) (N=4)
> Jewish 28 (0.40) 29 (0.40) 30 (0.13) (N=15)
>
> On the upside I find
>
> Benelux 28 (0.17) 29 (0.25) 30 (0.50) (N=12)
> Flanders and Flemish 28 (0.17) 29 (0.33) 30 (0.50) (N=6)
> Czech 28 (0.00) 29 (0.20) 30 (0.60) (N=5)
> Scotland 28 (0.23) 29 (0.23) 30 (0.36) (N=22)
>
> I know the numbers are very small indeed. We need more people testing, but
> at the moment we don't have more data. But once the first three are taken
> together (Belarussian Jewish, Jewish Ukraine west and Lithuanian N=20) or
> the Benelux and Flanders and Flemish (N=18). Is it possible to say with
> all cautions that DYS 389-2 modal East tends to be lower (28) than the
> same from the West (29-30)? Might this be a candidate for a possible
> East-West divide opposed to the many markers that split North-South?
>
> Please your reactions.
>
> Martijn
>
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