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From: "Elizabeth O'Donoghue" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] DYS 389-2
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:43:36 -0000
In-Reply-To: <003a01c86cca$61da01d0$6400a8c0@Ken1>


Martijn wrote:

> The modal value for 389-2 is obviously 29.
> The total R1b1c distribution on the values 28, 29 and 30 are respectively
> 0.11, 0.59 and 0.25 (N=1768). (N.b. 30 > 28)
> Most geographic groups concur this pattern albeit at different frequencies
> even up to 0.91 for the modal value of 29 within the Breifne Clans. There
> are however some distinct groups with lower modal values.

And Ken added:

My own sheet of R1b1 modal haplotypes shows one called Eastern-1 with 28 at
389ii, 10 at 391 14 at 393 and 12 and 392

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With the way that DYS389 is reported, wouldn't it be significant whether
DYS389-1 is 11, 12, or 13? Of the roughly 100 participants in the
O'Donoghue surname project with 28 at DYS389-2, there are two 12's and five
13's. In the Breifne Clans (which includes Donohues amidst the 200 odd)
there are two 11's, four 12's and six 13's (one overlap). In the Ireland
R1b1 Project (2882) there are 205 with 28 - seventy-four 12's and one
hundred twenty nine 13's. Are there similar or other differences in the
haplotypes you reviewed, Martijn?

Is there any tentative haplotype modal for Eastern R1b1c beyond the 12 at
DYS393 that I've seen recently mentioned? In the Ireland R1b1 Project there
are eighty 12's at DYS393 - less than 3%.

Elizabeth



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