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From: "John E. Mellick" <>
Subject: [DNA] eastern R1b1c modal (was DYS 389-2)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:06:36 -0500


There is an interesting article about ht-35 among the Border Reivers in
England at:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/dnasarmatian-reivers.htm

John

Vince said
>Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:53:26 -0500
>From: Vincent Vizachero <>
>Subject: [DNA] eastern R1b1c modal (was DYS 389-2)
>To:
>There is not what I would yet consider a robust extended modal
>haplotype for eastern R1b1c (i.e. ht35).
>The only commonly tested markers that are both stable and are
>effective at distinguishing ht15 (Iberian R1b1c) from ht35
>(southwestern Asian R1bc) are DYD393 and DYS461. There are a couple
>of palindromic markers that show some promise at helping distinguish
>the two types, but we are still in the process of testing them.
>There are a few populous clusters within ht35 with other distinct
>markers, but these can usually be traced back to a recent founder and
>are not representative of eastern R1b1c overall.
>I think it will come as no surprise that the genetic distance between
>the ht15 MRCA and the ht35 MRCA does not appear to be very great.
>Vince
>
>On Feb 11, 2008, at 5:43 PM, Elizabeth O'Donoghue wrote:
> > Is there any tentative haplotype modal for Eastern R1b1c beyond the
> > 12 at
> > DYS393 that I've seen recently mentioned? In the Ireland R1b1
> > Project there
> > are eighty 12's at DYS393 - less than 3%.


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