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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Fw: Hart DNA Results Received
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:18:00 -0700
The Hart haplotype ending in the 464 = 14-15-16-16 falls within a Jewish
cluster within I1b2a3-Continental3. This haplogroup has a P78+ SNP to
further identify itself beyond the usual M223+. More markers than 25 would
be nice, however. Someday soon FTDNA may add P78 to their tests, but
presently Ethnoancestry offers it. I1b2a is the modern name for I1c
----- Original Message -----
From: "LewisHart" <>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:37 AM
Subject: [DNA] Fw: Hart DNA Results Received
> Hi group,
> I need some help with one of my participants. This one is above my
> head. I would appreciate any feedback that I can give him. The 13-25
> markers are: 16, 8, 9, 11, 11, 23, 14, 20, 27, 14, 15, 16 16. FTDNA shows
> the I1c haplogroup on his personal page, but not on the test results page.
> There is simply a - there. Thanks
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Doug Hart
> To: ; Rick ; Rich McElvery ; LewisHart ; Nancy*Hart*Servin
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 4:49 AM
> Subject: Hart DNA Results Received
> I have received back 25 of the 37 markers from FTDNA. There is good news
> and bad news. Rick had indicated that the descendant of Ezekiel
> Hart/Aaron Hart of Trois Rivieres, Quebec belonged to haplogroup J2f1, a
> typical Jewish haplogroup. If that is the case, we do not have a match.
> My DNA results have come back as haplogroup I1c.
> My descent from Levy Hart is based on quite a bit of solid circumstantial
> evidence, so I am confident of the paper trail lineage.
> I've done some preliminary research on I1c, and have found that there is a
> Jewish aspect to that haplogroup, specifically type "5" which would
> indicate Sephardic roots. Although I do not match that type - close but
> no match.
> I can tell you that I had no direct matches with any other DNA results on
> the FTDNA database. The closest matches I have seen, 21 out of 25, from
> two different individuals,(not Hart's) were from Austria. There is also a
> string in the 10th - 12th position in the FTDNA model that would seem to
> indicate origins on the Iberian peninsula.
> So it looks like my DNA may have Sephardic roots, which made their way to
> Austria and Eastern Europe and then according to the paper, to England by
> Pretty much what we would expect Levy Hart's DNA to reveal. Another Aaron
> Hart, this one, one of the first rabbi's of the Great Temple of London was
> originally from Breslau
> Here are the results for the first 12 markers:
> DYS # Result
> 393 13
> 390 22
> 19 16
> 391 10
> 385A 17
> 385B 18
> 426 11
> 388 13
> 439 11
> 389-1 14
> 392 13
> 389-2 30
> What do you folks make of this? I'd appreciate your input and any
> additional research you could come up with to either confirm or negate the
> initial conclusions.
> Rick, are there any similarities at all with the results from Aaron's
> descendants DNA?
> I am sure there is more to come out of this.
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