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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] 10 per cent of Lebanese Christian men belong to aYhaplogroup know...
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:52:26 -0600
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I hope some others read the paper and would like to discuss their WES
haplotype comments. This is 14,12,28,24,10,13,13 at
DYS19,389i,389ii-389i,390,391,392,393 in their words.

If their 389 counting convention is the same as YHRD and the rest of the
popular labs, this is a rare haplotype. I think there were only 50 of them
for all of Europe in YHRD. Changing to 389 = 13,29 is more than a factor of
12 populous in YHRD(Europe).

Their stated WES is so rare I wonder if its purported Western Europe
confinement (other than a good number showing up in Lebanon) is not a
statistical effect/illusion? Eastern Europe has dramatically less R1b
frequency than Western Europe period. So the Eastern Europe regional
populations will tend to have zero count of a rare type of R1b, while the
very large counts of R1b in the Western Europe regional databases means that
a rare type will have more of a chance to meet the threshold of one
haplotype included. Their plot of Europe shows red dots or blue dots simply
on the basis of whether a WES haplotype shows up in a regional database or
not. Even most of the red dots in Western Europe indicate singletons of the
WES haplotype in the appropriate regional database.

If you take their interpretation of that Europe plot on face value, they
seem to prove that Richard the Lion Hearted and his fellow Englishmen never
got to Lebanon in the crusades.

Their count of I haplotypes is 2/3 the count of R1b in Lebanon. They
combine I1a* and P37+* as one (and probably even some upstream I), so we
don't know whether it is showing NW European or SE European ydna.

Ken





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> In a message dated 3/27/2008 2:25:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
>> The genetic legacy of the Crusades can be seen today in the
>> chromosomes of Lebanese Christian men, according to new research that
>> shows many have a European ancestry.
>>
>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article3635086.ece
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7316281.stm
>
>
> Free full-text of the technical article is available online for a short
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