From: Elizabeth Kipp <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Where will S116 split the tree?
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:27:02 -0700 (PDT)
My husband's results are back from his subclade testing (U106+, P107-, U152-, U198-) so he is R1b1c9. I will test S116 (rs34276300 ) to see his result. His ysearch RCS95. He does not belong to R1b1c9a.
His ancestral line by match is to Rulof de Kype (b 1500 Alencon Bretagne France). He appears to fit into the Frisian Modal Group from earlier discussion. There are three Kipp matches at 12 markers now, 2 at 25 markers and a 35/37 match at 37 markers with CDYa/CDYb being one out each between two members who have tested to 37 markers. The de Kype family supported the de Guise family and were burned out at Alencon in the 1500s. They fled to the Netherlands and after two generations there went to New Amsterdam in 1635.
Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp, PLCGS
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Subject: [DNA] Where will S116 split the tree?
I will concede that this question amounts to little more than idle
speculation at this point, but that has never stopped a lot of these
threads in the past, so here goes. Everything that we have heard to
date relating to the new SNP suggests that it will split the tree
between R1b1c9 and... the rest of R1b1c. If it were that simple it
would amount to nothing more than another SNP identifying R1b1c9.
What makes it different is that the C allele is also found in many
other haplogroups (as well as a few primates) which suggests that the
C allele is ancestral for rs34276300. If the C allele were ancestral
to M269 (upstream), all M269+ haplotypes would be ancestral (C
allele) as well, which is not the case. With the data that we have
now, the implication is that this new SNP constitutes a branch point
which leads to S21 in one direction, & to "all other subclades" in
the other direction. The question of interest is that last phrase
"all other subclades". Will any of the R1b1c* haplotypes now in the
public record carry the C allele?? Friendly "wagers" anyone?? (for
example, contributions to project funds??) Pat
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