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From: ellen Levy <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Which haplogroup was in western Europe first?
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 11:39:05 -0700 (PDT)
First, there are many other things that probably
impact the current high frequency of rh- among the
Basques, in particular, the very high rate of
consanguinity among the Basque. In fact, it is
considered to be highest such rate in Europe.
Please site the article that indicates that 98% of
Basque fall in haplogroup R1b. Among French Basque,
you have nearly 14% in Y haplogroup J (see Semino at
More importantly, I'll reference my own article at the
Journal of Genetic Genealogy entitled, "We are not our
Ancestors." In the paper, I examine much of the
ancient DNA studies on the Basque and the ancient
Iberians. These studies indicate that many our
assumptions about the Basque and their alleged
Paleolithic ancestry may not be based on the actual
For instance, the ancient Basque were significantly
impacted by mtDNA Neolithic haplogroups, and thus,
were not shielded from later "races." Furthermore,
there is little evidence to support the theory that
haplogroup V is of Paleolithic Southwest European
origin. It is entirely absent from ancient Basque and
Iberian populations dating as late as the Bronze
Finally, when examining mtDNA haplogroups among the
Basque that are highly suspected of being of
Paleolithic origin (U8 for instance, which is found at
about 1% among Spanish Basques), the only matches are
to populations in the Middle East, in particular,
--- Cakebread <> wrote:
> Hi Jim
> I have been interested in rh and the ABO system for
> a while now and always look out for the topic. It is
> strange that it does not come up more often.
> To answer your question. The rh- gene is found
> "mainly" in Europe! (excluding modern European
> It is possible that there was once a race of
> completely rh- people in Europe. rh+ people then
> came in and mixed with the rh- peoples. This created
> a 1 in 7 rh- ratio that modern Europeans have today.
> Of course some of the rh- would have drifted to
> other areas (africa has a small rh- percentage)
> Did you know that 60% of Basques are rh-? They are
> thought to be from an different, earlier race. The
> remoteness of the area must have isolated them to
> some extend from new races and rh+ coming in.
> Now about 98% of basques fall into the y haplogroup
> R1b. With a high Frequency of mtDNA haplogroup V.
> It is difficult to talk on this subject without
> mentioning the ABO system as well.
> Basques also have hardly any B (5% max) or AB blood
> groups. which are mainly in Asian in origin.
> They have approx 25-30% A. Much the same as spain
> (not portugal though with 30-35%. same for southern
> Norway and Sweden), france, southern England,
> Germany and eastern European countries (though not
> Romania or Switzerland).
> O frequency is approx 60-70%. similar to the rest of
> Europe apart from Ireland, Scotland and Iceland
> (70-80%), The balkans come in at about 50-60% for O.
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