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From: ellen Levy <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Jews of northern Greece
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:04:20 -0700 (PDT)

--- On Mon, 6/30/08, ellen Levy <> wrote:

> From: ellen Levy <>
> Subject: Re: [DNA] Jews of northern Greece
> To:
> Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 3:03 PM
> Cheryl:
> Could you explain the relevance of quote from Josephus to
> our discussions?
> What is the Egyptian source you refer to? Also, since the
> "Sea Peoples" refer to a number different
> peoples, I assume there is no direct evidence that your
> quote refers to the Philistines, who are referred to as
> "Peleset" in the ancient Egyptian texts I
> previously cited to, as opposed to any of the other various
> groups that made up the "Sea Peoples"?
> What is the archaeological evidence (or even textual
> evidence) that the ancient Philistines settled and
> colonized northern Canaan rather than just the southern
> Canaanite plain along the coast?
> Why would it be surprising that texts from Ugarit would be
> written in a Semitic text? First, for those on the list
> wondering where in the world "Ugarit" even is, it
> was in ancient city in Syria. Second, the language spoken
> by these peoples as reflected by these texts is similar to
> Hebrew and Phoenician. Given that the Canaanites inhabited
> the region of ancient Syria-Palestine, it should not be
> especially surprising that these people spoke a Northern
> Semitic language. Interesting, but what does it have to do
> with the Philistines? Although the Philistines later
> adopted a Semitic language and made it quite distinctive to
> their own use, the earlier language they spoke as reflected
> in the limited inscriptions we have appears to be of
> non-Semitic origin.
> I'm not sure that I would say that the Philistines
> "embraced" Judaism. The archaeological record
> merely suggests that they were assimilated over time. The
> first stage, according to Killebrew, was initiated by large
> scale migrations of peoples who brought with them an
> Aegean-style culture to southern Canaan sometime late in
> the reign of Ramesses III. The second stage involved the
> Philistine material culture undergoing a process of
> "creolization" (Killebrew's term)
> incorporating some indigenous features within bichrome
> Philistine pottery during Iron Age I. Finally, during Iron
> II (tenth-seventh centuries BC), the Philistines were
> completely assimilated within the surrounding culture,
> losing their distinctiveness entirely in the archaeological
> record.
> Ellen Coffman

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