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Subject: Re: [DNA] J1 clusters
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:54:30 +0000


>>Anatole Klyosov wrote:

>>And I have simply showed that this statement - "according to biblical
accounts" - is incorrect. Patriarchs of all the tribes should have had the same
Y chromosomes, hence, the "CMH". Hence, all descendants of the Patriarchs.

>Alfred Aburto' comment:

>If one assumes the Biblical account is true then yes all the sons of
Jacob would have the same Y-chromosome (very likely) which apparently
contains the J1 CMH-6, but only those from the tribe of Levi would be
Jewish Priests.

> But I wonder about the tribes, would they all retain the same haplogroup
(J1 CMH-6) over the (estimated) last 3500 years? The answer appears to
be no based on the work of Hammer, Thomas, Skorecki, Goldstein, Behar &
others.

My response:

Sure they all would retain (with some mutations), if the Jewish history is smooth and uneventful. Among 100 of J1 "CMH-6" (as well as of any 6-marker haplotypes) as many as 26 haplotypes after 3500 years would look as the same as the presumably ancestral haplotype 14-16-23-10-11-12. Other 74 would carry some mutations. This, of course, in a case of only one common ancestor (presumably Jacob, if to follow the biblical accounts). If not Jacob, this would not change a thing, the mathematics would stay.

This follows from "my" formula ln(100/26)/0.0096 = 140 generations = 3500 years,
where 0.0096 mut/gen/haplotype is the average mutation rate for a 6-marker haplotype (DYS 19, 388, 390-393).

Anatole Klyosov


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