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Subject: Re: [DNA] J1 clusters
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:02:37 +0000


Ellen Levy wrote:

>But Behar, Nebel and Hammer never used the term "not cohens."

My response:

Yeah, right. Behar used non-Cohanim (p. 772 in his 2003 paper).

Otherwise, Ellen, your (mainly personal) comments are not worth of commenting.

Just for your record my articles have been awarded by a Prize of the Jewish Historical Society, and they were read and evaluated by hundreds of Jews (including many Ashkenazim and Sephardim) in Israel, Europe, and all over the world. (You missed them because the articles were in Russian). I consider my readers, hundreds of them, peer-reviewers. Not you, to my regrets. Here it is, for your pleasure:

http://berkovich-zametki.com/2008/Zametki/Nomer1/Diplom_avtor_goda_Klyosov_2007_600.jpg

I did not intend to share it here. However, your lecturing has moved me to do so. Please, leave your lecturing for yourself. It has little value. Also, your lectures have typically - nothing to do with DNA genealogy.

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Next message from Ellen Levy. Now, it is more close to DNA genealogy. Good.

>So there are two R1a1 lineages - one dating to 1350 AD, the other to about 700
AD. This is their entry into the Ashkenazi community, correct? Why not from
two different founders then? Why propose a bottleneck to explain this?

No, the second event, at about 1350 AD, was not an entry. The first one, at about 700 AD, was. There were no different founders. The second, 14th century common ancestor just continued the main lineage, however, with a minor shift in alleles/mutations. In the 37-marker format there were only two one-step mutations, but it was enough for his descendants to form a separate branch in the 37- and 67-marker haplotype trees.

One of our List Jewish readers sent me his 67-marker R1a1 haplotype, and asked me to locate it in a haplotype tree. One look at his haplotype was enough for me to determine that he is a descendant of a R1a1 Jewish survivor 650 years ago. In a haplotype tree sure enough his haplotype went exactly into this particular branch.

Now, my question: why that bottleneck concerns you so much? Is it so difficult to understand that in times of the Black Plague and associated atrocities toward the Jews, many lineages had ceased to exist? And some might have survived? And - have you heard of a concept named a hypothesis?

Anatole Klyosov

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