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From: "Anatole Klyosov" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Age of R1b
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 22:39:21 -0400
References: <mailman.2691.1220661441.3230.genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com>


From: "David Faux"

>I entirely agree with Dienekes.
...In the Northern Isles and in probably most of the UK and certainly Ireland,
R1a1 is associated specifically with the Vikings.
In my Shetland Islands database almost all...have reasonably close genetic
matches in Norway, and occasionally Sweden, but nowhere else except the UK
- and more distantly the Altai. ...if you are R1a1, are from the
UK, then there is a very high probability that your ancestors were among the
Viking raiders of the 8th and 9th centuries or a migrant from a later date
(to 1066 AD).

My comment:

Amazing.

In this case we should all agree that the Vikings descended everywhere in the world,
including Saudi Arabia, India, Lebanon, and everywhere in Europe, in the 8th and 9th centuries.

Do you realize that the ancestral R1a1 haplotypes are practically the same in all of those places?
Including England, Norway, Sweden, Russia, India, and all the above?

Examples, base (ancestral) haplotypes, all around 4,000-5,000 years old:

England:
13 25 15 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30 15 9 10 11 11 24 14 20 32 12 15 15 16


Ireland
13 25 15 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30 15 9 10 11 11 24 14 20 32 12 15 15 16


Scotland
13 25 15 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30 15 9 10 11 11 24 14 20 32 12 15 15 16



Sweden

13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30 15 9 10 11 11 24 14 20 32 12 15 15 16



Norway

13 25 16 11 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30 15 9 10 11 11 24 14 20 32 12 15 15 16


Russia, Ukraine
13 25 16 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30 15 9 10 11 11 24 14 20 32 12 15 15 16



India

13 25 16 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30 15 9 10 11 11 24 14 20 32 12 15 15 16


Germany
13 25 16 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30 15 9 10 11 11 24 14 20 32 12 15 15 16



Poland

13 25 16 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30 16 9 10 11 11 23 14 20 32 12 15 15 16


Czechoslovakia
13 25 16 10 11 14 12 12 11 13 11 30 16 9 10 11 11 23 14 20 32 12 15 15 16



Hungary

13 25 16 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30 15 9 10 11 11 24 14 20 32 12 15 15 16



Bukovina

13 25 16 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30 15 9 10 11 11 24 14 20 32 12 15 15 16



Europe (about 20 countries, combined)

13 25 16 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30 15 9 10 11 11 24 14 20 32 12 15 15 16



Armenia

13 25 16 11 ? ? ? 12 ? ? 11 ?



Anatolia

13 25 16 11 X Y Z 12 10 13 11 30



Qatar, Oman, UAE

13 25 15 11 11 14 X Y 10 13 11 30

13 25 16 11 11 14 X Y 10 13 11 31



Iraq, Lebanon

13 25 16 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30 15 9 10 11 11 24 14 20 32 12 15 15 16



After it, read again your writings:



>...In the Northern Isles and in probably most of the UK and certainly Ireland,
R1a1 is associated specifically with the Vikings.
In my Shetland Islands database almost all...have reasonably close genetic

matches in Norway, and occasionally Sweden, but nowhere else except the UK
- and more distantly the Altai. ...if you are R1a1, are from the
UK, then there is a very high probability that your ancestors were among the
Viking raiders of the 8th and 9th centuries or a migrant from a later date
(to 1066 AD).

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Are you now sure?

Anatole Klyosov


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