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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now?
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:37:51 -0600
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Faux" <>

The other is when did the first R-U152 arise - how many years
> ago did the first man with U152 walk the planet. You are looking at
> nodes in
> relation to individuals alive today. When Underhill or Cinnioglu (for
> example) speak of the age of a haplogroup they are speaking of the length
> of
> time the mutation has been extant (when it first originated) an using the
> diversity we see today to estimate this event. [[[[ Underhill, Cinnioglu,
> etc. would not be so foolish to believe they are doing that. Did you have
> a dream last night that said they claimed that?]]]]]] If you
> are unable to answer my simplest of questions so be it. I want a
> realistic
> estimate of the age of R-M269 etc. .....if we were
> to go back 5000 years, what would be the TMRCA of the U152 living at that
> time. [[[[[ The U152 mutation had not occured yet ]]]]] It is a shame that
> you can't answer this because it is the most
> interesting of the two questions.

> David K. Faux.


[[[[ Buy your shovels. You have a lot of digging of ancient bones to do to
find that oldest U152 ]]]]]


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