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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now?
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:42:21 -0600
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----- Original Message ----- From: "David Faux" <> It would take more than a series of > numbers and formulae and algorithms hanging from threads in the clouds to > get me to change my mind. How would you know that the formulas and algorithms (straight out of the books of your "credentialed authorities") are hanging from threads in the clouds unless you invested in understanding them?

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[DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Dennis Wright" <>

Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
- Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "J.M. or M.C. Aviles" <>
- Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by charles <>
  - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
    - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by charles <>
  - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
    - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by charles <>
      - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>

[DNA] How do you figre ot what you are? R1b1c* by Nelda Percival <>
- Re: [DNA] How do you figre ot what you are? R1b1c* by "Mark D. Johnson" <>
  - Re: [DNA] How do you figre ot what you are? R1b1c* by Nelda Percival <>

Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Gary Corbett" <>
- Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Itzhak Epstein <>

Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Cheryl Simani <>
- Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by (John Chandler)

[DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Alan R <>
- Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
  - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by charles <>
    - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by
      - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
    - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
  - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
    - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by charles <>

[DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Bob Hay <>
- Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by charles <>
  - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by charles <>
    - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
      - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by charles <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Tim Janzen" <>
        Re: [DNA] Age of L2+ by charles <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Tim Janzen" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
- Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by David F Reynolds <>
  - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
    - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by David F Reynolds <>

Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Michael Walsh" <>
- Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>

Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by David F Reynolds <>

Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Michael Walsh" <>
- Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Dennis Wright" <>

Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Michael Walsh" <>

Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Alan R <>

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Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Anatole Klyosov" <>
- Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
  - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
    - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
      - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
    - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
      - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
    - [DNA] R-P312? (was: What shall R1b1c call themselves now?) by Itzhak Epstein <>
      - Re: [DNA] R-P312? (was: What shall R1b1c call themselves now?) by "David Faux" <>
        Re: [DNA] R-P312? (was: What shall R1b1c call themselves now?) by Itzhak Epstein <>
        Re: [DNA] R-P312? (was: What shall R1b1c call themselves now?) by "David Faux" <>
        Re: [DNA] R-P312? (was: What shall R1b1c call themselves now?) by Itzhak Epstein <>
        Re: [DNA] R-P312? (was: What shall R1b1c call themselves now?) by "David Faux" <>
        Re: [DNA] R-P312? (was: What shall R1b1c call themselves now?) by "RICHARD KENYON" <>

Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Anatole Klyosov" <>
- Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Bob Bootle" <>
  - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
    - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Dienekes Pontikos" <>
      - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by (John Chandler)
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Dienekes Pontikos" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Dienekes Pontikos" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Dienekes Pontikos" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Dienekes Pontikos" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Dienekes Pontikos" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
        [DNA] Haplogroups? Clades? Haplotypes? (was: What shall R1b1c callthemselves now?) by Itzhak Epstein <>
        Re: [DNA] Haplogroups? Clades? Haplotypes? by "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <>
        Re: [DNA] Haplogroups? Clades? Haplotypes? by "Dienekes Pontikos" <>
        Re: [DNA] Haplogroups? Clades? Haplotypes? (was: What shall R1b1ccall themselves now?) by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
        Re: [DNA] Haplogroups? Clades? Haplotypes? (was: What shall R1b1ccall themselves now?) by Vincent Vizachero <>
        Re: [DNA] Haplogroups? Clades? Haplotypes? (was: What shall R1b1ccall themselves now?) by "Dienekes Pontikos" <>
        [DNA] nomenclature by David F Reynolds <>
        Re: [DNA] nomenclature by Katherine Hope Borges <>
        Re: [DNA] nomenclature by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
        Re: [DNA] nomenclature by David F Reynolds <>
        Re: [DNA] nomenclature by David F Reynolds <>
        [DNA] mtdna question by Nelda Percival <>
        Re: [DNA] mtdna question by marianne dillow <>
        Re: [DNA] mtdna question by marianne dillow <>
        Re: [DNA] mtdna question by
        Re: [DNA] mtdna question by Nelda Percival <>
        Re: [DNA] mtdna question by
        Re: [DNA] mtdna question by Nelda Percival <>
  - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
    - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
      - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Thomas Gull <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Thomas Gull <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>

Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Alan R <>
- Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
  - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Dienekes Pontikos" <>
    - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
      - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Dienekes Pontikos" <>
- Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Elizabeth O'Donoghue" <>
  - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
    - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Elizabeth O'Donoghue" <>
      - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
      - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Elizabeth O'Donoghue" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by (John Chandler)
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Elizabeth O'Donoghue" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Dienekes Pontikos" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Dienekes Pontikos" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Elizabeth O'Donoghue" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Elizabeth O'Donoghue" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Elizabeth O'Donoghue" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Lawrence Mayka" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
        [DNA] Variance - was What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Elizabeth O'Donoghue" <>
        Re: [DNA] Variance - was What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
        Re: [DNA] Variance - was What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by (John Chandler)
        Re: [DNA] Variance - was What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
        Re: [DNA] Variance - was What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
        Re: [DNA] Variance - was What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
        Re: [DNA] Variance - was What shall R1b1c call themselves by "Anatole Klyosov" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by (John Chandler)
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Elizabeth O'Donoghue" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Dienekes Pontikos" <>
  - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by (John Chandler)
  - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Dennis Wright" <>

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Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Alan R <>
- Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
  - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>

Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Anatole Klyosov" <>
- Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by (John Chandler)
  - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Dienekes Pontikos" <>
    - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by (John Chandler)
      - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Dienekes Pontikos" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by (John Chandler)
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Dienekes Pontikos" <>
        Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by (John Chandler)
- Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Dennis Wright" <>
  - Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by Vincent Vizachero <>

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Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Anatole Klyosov" <>

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Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Elizabeth O'Donoghue" <>

Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Jim Cullen" <>

Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Anatole Klyosov" <>
- Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "David Faux" <>
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Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now? by "Anatole Klyosov" <>
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