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From: "Anatole Klyosov" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] What shall R1b1c call themselves now?
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:52:57 -0400
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>David Faux


Dear David,

I have realized a while ago that it is practically useless to convert you into a believer of haplotype/haplogroup-based history of great human migrations in Europe and Asia some 4-5 thousand years ago. In fact, archeologists are well aware of those movements. Anyway, I am using your name in a way similar as ancient Greek philosophers picked an imaginary colleague in order to express their views. I hope you allow me to do the same, even if you are not-so-imaginary one :-))

Just an example. Rather simple calculations such as those which were repeatedly described here earlier lead to a base/ancestral haplotype of the Slavs (R1a1) [in a 25-marker format]

13 25 16 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30 15 9 10 11 11 24 14 20 32 12 15 15 16



This common ancestor of the Eastern Slavs lived 4,500 years ago. He was my direct ancestor, by the way. Now, descendants of that fellow were gradually moving East to the Ural mountains between 4500 and 4000 years BP, settled there, and about 3,800 years BP built a series of towns in Southern Ural (Arkaim is the most known one, you cal look it up in the Google). These are archaeological data. As you see, they perfectly match the DNA genealogy data. 3,600 years ago those folks from Arkaim had collected their belongings and moved to India (Kashmir, Punjab). A base/ancestral haplotype of R1a1 Indians is as follows:



13 25 16 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30 15 9 10 11 11 24 14 20 32 12 15 15 16



Presently there are about 100 million of his descendants in India.



Guess what? Look above, at the Slavs base haplotype. They are identical. Now, the Indian common ancestor lived 3,800 years ago. It is just a few generations before the R1a1 folks left Arkaim (you can call then Aryans, since they called themselves with such a name, as it was recorded in the Vedas).



Where do you see a conflict between the DNA genealogy data and the archaeology data?



Regards,



Anatole Klyosov



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