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From: Vincent Vizachero <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] TRMCA for R1b1
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:58:32 -0500
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Interestingly enough, Semino illustrates this herself in a separate
paper (MtDNA and Y chromosome polymorphisms in Hungary: inferences
from the palaeolithic, neolithic and Uralic influences on the modern
Hungarian gene pool). Figure 3 is a median network of combined
haplotypes (TaqI 49a,f, YCAII, DYS19, 50f2/C, 12f2, and YAP).

I annotated the diagram (her group 17 is ht35; her groups 15 and 16
are ht15).

http://vizachero.com/R1b1/ht35mediannetworkfromSemino.png

Of course this network is not unequivocal - low resolution is one
drawback of the TaqI 49a,f probe system - but it is perfectly
consistent with other evidence (the behavior of DYS393, DYS461,
DYF385, etc. as well as the recent discovery of upstream nodes within
R1b1b2 that correspond to geography of ht35).

VV


On Dec 2, 2008, at 9:45 PM, Dienekes Pontikos wrote:

> I would like to see the evidence that ht35 is ancestral to ht15.


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