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From: Vincent Vizachero <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] TRMCA for R1b1
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:28:13 -0500
I am always skeptical about ANY study. You should read it
critically, and take each one for what it is worth.
However, the Hungarian aspect is ancillary to the point Dienekes was
pretending to care about: the phylogenetic structure of R1b1b2 was
accurately depicted in Figure 3.
On Dec 3, 2008, at 2:09 PM, Beth Long wrote:
> Hi Vince,
> I am always a little suspicious of studies of the "Hungarian
> population". Due to some historical events and shifting borders, it
> is really hard to know what it is you are really testing.
> Our project deals with Transylvanians, thus largely eliminating the
> confounding effect of (relatively recent) Germanic and Slavic Y-DNA
> found within the present-day borders of Hungary. Even so, we appear
> to have found a fair amount of Western European (German and
> Flemish?) Y-DNA, mainly associated with "occupational surnames".
> Likely they arrived in Transylvania during the middle ages.