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From: "Anatole Klyosov" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1a
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:17:39 -0500


From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>

>There are 20 R1a haplotypes with the 17,10 at DYS19,388 combination in
>DuPuy's Norwegian paper, and lesser numbers of 388 = 10 but DYS19 = 15 or 16
>R1a as well. That's quite a windfall. One can even localize these in
>Norway somewhat due to the paper's regional data collecting.


Ken, and other who might have an interest,

I have published recently a paper (in Russian) regarding R1a1 DYS388=10. A few things from there:

1) A frequencies of DYS388=10 in some populations (first figure - a number of haplotypes, second figure - a number of DYS388=10 in them):

-- England, 10 out of 57
-- Ireland, 12 out of 52
-- Scotland, 2 out of 31
-- Germany, 2 out of 67
-- Norway, 5 out of 21
-- Norway, 40 out of 464
-- Sweden, 1 out of 28
-- Poland, 0 out of 44
-- Czechoslovakia, 0 out of 27
-- Hungary, 0 out of 18
-- Bukovina (Beth's project), 0 out of 24
-- Russia, Ukraine, 0 out of 68
-- Jewish R1a1, 0 out of 100
-- Donald Clan, 0 out of 84
-- India, 0 out of 84

Hence, it is North-Western Europe, and gradually disappears eastward.

2) DYS388=13 and 14 are just statistically driven. They do not form any "subclades". They were originated (or came to North-Western Europe) some 300-100 years later than DYS388=12, and they were originated FROM DYS388=12.

3) DYS388=10 is not statistically driven; it is a distinctly separate lineage.

4) A common ancestor of DYS388=12 in North-Western Europe lived 4,650 years bp. A common ancestor of DYS388=10 lived in North-Western Europe 3,600 years bp. However, they differ by 5.5 mutations, and they represent two different lineages. THEIR common ancestor lived 5800+/-200 years bp.

Anatole Klyosov




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