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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Dr. Wells and his R1b in Iberia for LGM hypothesis -FTDNAconf follow-up
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:27:43 -0600
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All good methods lead to about that age estimate. It's counting mutations
one way or the other.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Felix" <>
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Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Dr. Wells and his R1b in Iberia for LGM hypothesis -FTDNA
conf follow-up


> Evidently Dr. Hammer didn't use STR markers to find an age for M269.
> Anyone know what method of SNP aging was used to determine an age of 4 to
> 8K years for M269 at the conference?
>
> Apparently information is lacking from all fronts.
>
> I almost feel like changing the subject back to DNA Conference ;-)
>
> Gary
>
>
> --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Michael Walsh <> wrote:
> From: Michael Walsh <>
> Subject: [DNA] Dr. Wells and his R1b in Iberia for LGM hypothesis - FTDNA
> conf follow-up
> To:
> Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 3:01 PM
>
> ------> My comments:
> I've read Oppenheimer, Cavalli-Sforza, Sykes and Wells. I can't
> complaint about the book authors and their hypotheses. I generally
> thought they all had well reasoned thinking related to the R1b Iberian
> Refugium hypothesis. As far as their books go, they wrote them at a
> point given the technology, methods and data available to them. They
> are free to write books, or not write books as they wish. If they
> want to retire, so be it.
>
> However, Dr. Wells is the chief of the National Genographic Project.
> This is an on-going project spending millions of dollars. I think
> they should keep their web site fairly current and objective. They
> are still calling R-M343 the Cro-Magnon man of Western Europe. I'm
> actually okay with that hypothesis, even though I now think it is
> doubtful. My concern is that they do not acknowledge that there are
> other hypotheses that have credence and that they do not explain why
> their scenario is more likely.
> R1b (M343) Nat'l Geno ->
> https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html?card=my050
>
>
>
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