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From: Elizabeth Kipp <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] They're Heeeere! New Hg I SNPs
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:15:36 -0700 (PDT)
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Ordered for my paternal line - I2a2 (tested at Ethnoancestry for M423 (derived) and P41.2 (ancestral)). I ordered the extended deep clade just to bring my brother's results up to I2a2 at FT DNA and added the L161 as well just to see what the result will be.

On paper this family (Blake) can be found in the Wiltshire area from the late 1200s on (my line is at Andover from the late 1400s on). I have not yet investigated the paper trail prior to 1400s at Andover yet although published literature claims that my line is descended from the Wiltshire Blake family in the Calne area.

One interesting result in the BLAKE dna study at FT DNA has 12 markers that are 8/12 with my line. No other details given for this line - not assigned to a haplogroup. Still looking for a paper trail cousin to test.

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Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp, BA, PLCGS
Guild of one-name studies #4600 - PINCOMBE and SIDERFIN

From: Ken Nordtvedt <>
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Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 11:32:02 AM
Subject: [DNA] They're Heeeere! New Hg I SNPs

Four ysnps were recently discovered from two walk the y donors from the I2a sector of the haplogroup I tree.

They are now available for customer order at the usual price at FTDNA, advanced orders, I-P215 panel

On the branch line of I2a1 (M26 with the strange 11 at YCAa) three snps, L158, L159, L160 were found. I urge a variety of folks from I2a1 to test for them to see if they divide I2a1 and shed light on how it moved north from Iberia after the LGM

On the branch line of I2a2 a single snp, L161 was found by a donor from I2a2-Isles-D clade. We still wait for walk the y results for a donor from I2a2a - Disles clade. But if you are adventursome and in I2a2 you might speed our learning process and order this snp for the price of a giant, 4 toppings pizza. Does this snp split the 8 clades of I2a2-Isles? Is it just like M423 and simply split Isles from Dinaric? Or is it upstream a bit and formally split I2a-French from I2a-Western? Or is it private-like to our Irish donor from Isles-D?

A pioneer group put together and financed a project to find new snps within the I2a sector of the tree. Four were found. It is now up to the broader population of interested folks in these clades to pin down the full phylogenetic meaning of these new snps.


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