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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b Origins (was OurEuropeangeographicalblock. . .)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:23:57 -0600
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Janzen" <> It appears to me that the farther back in time you go, the more > interclade TMRCA estimates underestimate the true TMRCA. > Sincerely, > Tim Probably. But the underestimate is non-linear in percent with increasing age. "Percent" modification for 5000 year old clade or node age would probably be 1/4 that for 20,000 year old clade and 1/8 that for 40,000 year old clade or node age

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