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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b Origins (was OurEuropeangeographicalblock. . .)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:11:07 -0600
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Using the fudged "effective mutation rates"? If so, divide by three.
I'd try to check myself, but I can't find reference to which paper you are
refering.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Felix" <>

Here is what I posted previously from this 2007 paper:

"..microsatellite based dating was performed separately using both the
7-loci and 10-loci data sets. The results indicate that for the R1a1
haplogroup, the age of Y-STR variation in the Lasithi Plateau is at least
10.474.9 kya, the same range as in the case of Turkey (10.072.6, Table 1).
Nevertheless, the ages of Y-STR variation in both of these populations are
more recent than the dates estimated for the Balkans (14.673.0 kya) and the
rest of Crete (at least 15.173.5 kya). In the case of the R1b haplogroup,
the age of Y-STR diversity in the Lasithi Plateau population is at least
8.472.4 kya, compared to at least 11.771.8 kya in the surrounding two
provinces. The former date is comparable
with the age estimated for the Balkans..."



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