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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] I1a and Indoeuropean languages
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:13:36 -0600
References: <><00ee01ca10ad$a1e4e640$6400a8c0@Ken1><>

Forget about the a and b.

When M423 was discovered, Isles, Disles, and Dinaric all simply became I2a2
with maybe the M161 which has been around for a long time would become I2a2a

Then L69 came along to separate Disles/Dinaric from Isles. Isles stays I2a2

Disles/Dinaric become I2a2a, and M161 has to become I2a2a1

Now L178 comes along and also L161 which is derived for Isles and ancestral
for Disles/Dinaric. So more renaming must take place. Don't worry about
it; just keep track of the snps.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg W. Moore" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] I1a and Indoeuropean languages

> Clarification please:
> "I2a2b" (Disles) - the letter "b" at the end stands for S163.2+ (L69+) -
> correct ?
> Which test and what its value makes "I2a2a" (Dinarics) - that is the
> letter
> "a" at the end ?
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Ken Nordtvedt
> <>wrote:
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Greg W. Moore" <>
>> > What are the hotspots of the I2a2b (S163.2+) as opposed to I2a2a ?
>> S163 a.k.a. L69 is derived for Dinaric/Disles I2a2 and ancestral for
>> Isles
>> I2a2.
>> Hotspots for Dinaric consists of Eastern Europe rising to a crescendo in
>> Croatia/Bosnia
>> Hotspot for Disles is the British Isles, although this clade is closer to
>> Dinaric --- hence the odd ball nickname.
>> L178 found recently derived in a Disles, could be either derived or
>> ancestral for Dinarics. It is already known to be ancestral for Isles.
>> Hotspot for Isles is the British Isles
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